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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg this has been a

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week that I'd rather forget

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let me explain listeners of the para

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cast with Gene and Chris earlier this

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week in case you had problems getting to

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our site or downloading the episode it

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was because hackers were involved and

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what they did is something we called in

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the industry a DDoS distributed

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denial-of-service attack what that means

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is you send loads of bogus requests to a

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site you bring it down because you can

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only handle so much traffic this is

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what's happening in the US now with the

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health care exchanges where there's so

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much traffic they can't handle it but of

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course you're dealing then with

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government computers that were sold from

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the lowest bidder or the one who bribed

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the government so we can't expect

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perfection but in our case we just have

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one server so I had to literally set up

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another server to move everything over

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so I think we're okay now question is

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why we're we being attacked I don't

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think it has anything to do with UFOs or

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the paranormal because since moving the

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servers things have been okay have they

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been for you Chris yeah yeah I just had

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problems a couple of days there you know

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a few days ago trying to get on to the

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forum but you know the computer guru

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here is taking care of business or

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whatever I am yes I'm not a computer

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guru I just dabble

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speaking of dabble let's stab all into a

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few other subjects before we get to our

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guest today dabble number one we've got

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a few complaints that we didn't bring up

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when we had Don Schmidt we didn't bring

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up the issue of questions about his

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background because he doesn't want to

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tell you he worked at the post office I

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think that's the issue I thought you

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guys covered that back several years ago

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seem to recall this in the episode and

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and that was all covered we're not a

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muckraker outfit here we were interested

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in the subject matter and that sort of

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thing kind of bogs you down obviously

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there have been some issues about his

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background I somebody mentioned on the

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forum that he also has fabricated

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something about his education I was not

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aware of that I was always under the

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impression that he had never really fest

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up about what he did it was more of a

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lie by omission as opposed to a

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fabrication now gene you may know

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something more about this but I just

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didn't think it was appropriate based on

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his prior appearance on the show

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explaining all that I don't think it

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rises to the equivalence of the issues

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we have the fill-in brag net were just

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about everything in his background was a

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fake no I thought I thought you just

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didn't admit to people that he was a

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postman and that to me is not not a

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heinous crime I mean I have to tell you

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this I think being a postman working for

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the post office is an honorable

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profession it carries a lot of trust I

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think we trust everything to our postman

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mailman mail woman mail person or

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whatever we trust them to bring us our

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bills we trust them to bring our checks

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we trust them to bring our packages they

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don't get great pay the US Postal

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Service is always beleaguered because of

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money for one reason or another so you

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know I think he should be proud of the

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fact that he worked for the post office

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but that's just me anyway it is old

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ground let's pass it but I would say

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however that the book itself was a

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well-written book I don't think it's a

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smoking gun in there it's got some

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intriguing theories you know leave it at

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that so for example he dismisses Colonel

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Corr so with regard to reverse

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engineering of the alleged wreckage from

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Roswell but he cites an article from

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Tony breh galya one of the Roswell dream

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team members will have more to say on

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that in a moment talking about reverse

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engineering this memory metal that

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restores itself to

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previous shape and I saw nothing there

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but references to military people who

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may or may not have had knowledge but

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there's no smoking gun no proof of

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anything that goes back to that because

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when you talk about reverse engineering

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you have to assume that the paper trail

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that we present over someone's invention

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is all been faked or that we aren't

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smart enough to build the stuff by

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ourselves or that we were somehow

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influenced at the last minute or in some

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ways by the et technology but we have no

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proof I think that's far the problem

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well the whole book is filled with the

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but pretty compelling anecdotal

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information and deathbed testimonies and

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and they do a good job of sleuthing out

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individuals who you know we're at

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wright-patt at some point in time and

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and some of that is very compelling but

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again it's just all hearsay we don't

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really have the as you put it smoking

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gun evidence to suggest that any of

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these scenarios can be proven so I think

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the jury is still out I think that the

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book was a little bit kind of a

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bait-and-switch titled the real area 51

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sort of a buzzword and it's all about

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right patent most of the information

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about right Pat was about Roswell so in

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in in one sense of the word it's it's

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actually a book about Roswell but it's

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what happened to everything after it

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allegedly left Roswell so you know again

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this whole this whole subject matter

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gene is it's many of our listeners know

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I I just I really have this sense that

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it's always been a red herring sure it's

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an important case but I think there's a

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lot more important things that could you

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know stand a little focus similar to

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what's being placed on to the Roswell

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case alright let's talk about that we

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have the Roswell dream team and now

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we've got some sort of controversy over

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the dream team controversy over whether

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I guess they're falling apart because of

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disagreements

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well it all stems from the claim that

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two of photographic slides have somehow

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magically appeared I think it was here

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in Sedona and some somebody's basement

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or attic or something and when did this

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got out to various members in the youth

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logical community but there was I think

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didn't Schmidt and Kari have to sign

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non-disclosure agreements in order to be

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brought into the loop on this and then

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other members were not brought in and

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there's it seems like there's a little

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bit of backbiting going on uh it's a lot

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of posturing it sounds like until the

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actual photographs are analyzed I think

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it's a tempest in a teapot and the fact

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that the way it's being mishandled by

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the principal's is putting a pall I

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think over the whole potential bombshell

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nature of this story again I think I saw

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some commentary I dare to ago somebody

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equated it with the alien autopsy film

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the Ray Santilli film it and it very

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well could be just the latest example of

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somebody trying to pull a fast one and

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make make some dough obviously money is

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involved here there's some question

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whether some major TV program or network

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has already optioned the rights to to

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these these photographic images again

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until we see it till it's analyzed until

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we can find that curly phone cord or

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some telling piece of information that

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will give away a hoax or conversely if

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we find something that's evidentiary and

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proves it to be real the jury's still

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out and I'm not impressed I'm not

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impressed by the fact that this was all

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made public I think this is something

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where you quietly work on the evidence

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you quietly deal with situations like

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this and then you work amongst

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yourselves to resolve it because when

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you make it into a public spectacle as

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it is we have a thread nor forums about

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it and there are several blog entries

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about it when you make it a public

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you're not really solving anything

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you're just messing around about the

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process and it gets very boring real

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fast because as I said it's not leading

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us to a solution to Roswell it's just

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budding the waters all over again and

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that's that muddy waters by the way hey

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we have a great guest for today tell us

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more about it

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well gene we have David Weatherly

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joining us for return visit to the pair

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cast he was on our very engaging show

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about the skinwalker ranch case he was

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on along with Ryan Skinner a couple

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years back David is one of the people

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that have been looking into the claims

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of black-eyed children he has a book on

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that subject and also he has a new book

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called strange intruders so I'm really

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looking forward to having David here and

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asking him some questions about some of

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these cool things and he investigates

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appearance on the para cast David

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welcome to the show gentlemen thanks for

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having me on it's a pleasure to be on

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yes

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now I understand here that you've been

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running after these things for a long

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long time this investigation but strange

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intruders in putting that book together

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what did you focus on strength intruders

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focuses on essentially weird entity

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encounters I tried to put some

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historical context and and talk about

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some you know what are considered

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classic cases and then a lot of modern

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encounters to to give the sense that you

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know there's a wide range of this weird

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being I seem to be cropping up

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continually around the world and you

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know people are reporting more and more

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these encounters as as we keep moving

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forward now looking at these encounters

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do they focus on a specific type of

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entity or being or are they all over the

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place you know the sort of all over the

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place I I had a handful of things I

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wanted to focus on with this book for

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instance I covered the Djinn and that's

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something that I'm probably asked about

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more than any other topic over the last

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couple of years so there's a whole

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chapter on the Djinn there are chapters

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on shadow people I cover the black-eyed

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beans a little bit more just has a sort

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of a follow-up to my last book and a few

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other miscellaneous things I pretty much

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avoided classes I don't talk about sass

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watching this book or any of those types

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of burn or animal oriented things so

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these are basically going towards

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humanity type of manifestations you know

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let's look at that here why not focus on

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Bigfoot - those are strange creatures

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yeah absolutely are and you know that's

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something I'll probably cover in the

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future but at some point you have to put

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a cap on paints and you know I think

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that the theme I tried to stick with in

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this book is essentially geared towards

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entities that I believe been into this

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idea of things that are coming through

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portals or openings into other

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dimensions okay I don't understand the

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distinction here so therefore these

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beings might be coming in from other

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dimensions but Bigfoot is native well

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most of the cryptids I think fall into

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some type of annual manifestations you

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know granted there are some different

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paths we could go down with that we

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could look at skinwalkers for instance

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which are you know then Kim annoyed that

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they're also sort of credited by some

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people it's you know the lines are

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really blurry so to be honest is kind of

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hard to say you know where does this

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really where is this distinguished I

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think the whole point was I just tried

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to stay away from the more animal type

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manifestations of beings and stick more

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to things that are attempting to appear

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somewhat alright let's talk about gin

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and the reason I want to emphasize this

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is because we've had rosemary ellen

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guiley on the show on several occasions

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and she's made a huge point in covering

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that subject but when ever we have her

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on the people in the forum's say you

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know what this is just folklore why are

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we dealing with this so how do we take

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something that is perceived perhaps is

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folklore and make it relevant make it

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current make it something that really

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has relevance that's a great question I

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think that the gin have become really

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prominent within the paranormal field in

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general over the last couple of years

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you know Rosemary's done an incredible

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amount of work on the topic other people

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have been looking at it too and it

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definitely does have a root in folklore

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it also has a root in you know the

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spiritual traditions of the middle east

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because of the supposed origin of the

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gin but what I find very fascinating is

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that Tina for oh gosh you know at ten

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years or more we've now had a constant

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Western military presence in the Middle

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East literally thousands of soldiers

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from the United States and UK and these

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men are interacting with these ancient

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societies that have always believed in

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the idea that Jim and a lot of these

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soldiers you know they're bringing back

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souvenirs and trophies and so forth that

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are purportedly haunted or bound to Jim

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this is kind of where the whole

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evolution of you know the genie in the

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bottle silliness that we have been in

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the West came from this this ancient

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principle that a magician could bind a

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jinn to a particular object in order to

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have control over and it would often be

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a piece of jewelry a ring and necklace

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and so forth so you know all of that

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aside we have modern interactions with

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these Middle Eastern people who are

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carrying these objects that you know

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they say okay we know we've had this in

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our family for you know hundred years it

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has a powerful gin in it all you know I

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gift it to you or I sell it to you and

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what's fascinating is that these a lot

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of these soldiers are coming back home

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or coming back to the UK in the United

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States and they're starting to

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experience very strange things in their

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lives this is every time they bring back

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these artifacts what's not every time

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but but there are a lot of these cases

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at this point and you know it's kind of

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to the point where they're just bit two

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minutes you completely ignore now you

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know I always try to look at things

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completely open-minded I'm not trying to

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convince anyone that okay here's a

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cursed ring that has a gin in it and

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this the cause of this person's misery

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there could be a psychological component

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here there could be you know any number

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of reasons for it but we can't deny the

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fact that there are a lot of these cases

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that are grown more and more around the

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around the country and these people are

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experiencing very strange things in

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their lives I like I said poltergeist

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like activity illnesses and the family

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and we're not talking about you know

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just random everyday things that these

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things tend to crop up very suddenly and

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come in you know large dramatic

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expressions and inevitably in these

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cases when someone comes around to the

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fact that okay well I've got this you

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know necklace that purportedly has a gym

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in it and once that item is dealt with

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or taken away the problems dissipate now

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you know this is the chicken and egg

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thing it is it because that person will

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I believe that the jinn was with them

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and was somehow co-creating all of this

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you know misery and bad luck in their

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lives or is there some type of entity

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actually attached to this thing that is

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causing this problems can you describe

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what kind of artifacts in more detail is

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it just something that has the image of

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a jinn obviously I'm not thinking in

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terms of of course the bottle right well

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you know if you go back to the principle

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that was practice among magicians during

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you know the medieval period the

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Renaissance period a lot of different

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periods in history there was this

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concept that through a ceremonial ritual

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you could

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a powerful being whether it was a demon

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or jinn sometimes even an angel you

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could contact that beam and through a

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specific set of ritual if you could bind

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it to a particular object as I said it

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was often a piece of jewelry so for

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instance they would create a ring they

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would go through a ritual process to

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contact a jinn and bind this thing to

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this ring

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maybe the jinn were responsible for our

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server problems for the hacker problem

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that knows we have David Weatherly

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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classic kind attack of the rock codes

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and the coming of the protectors find

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years you've been hearing about the

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Berkey guy so you may know a few things

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about him for example you are well aware

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565
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566
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567
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568
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569
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570
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someone is home at your house while

571
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572
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573
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574
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and sells for less than $30 yes

575
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it's fake TV this year about one in

576
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every 50 US homes we'll have a break in

577
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with burglars usually picking the easy

578
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target a dark house that looks like no

579
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one is home fake TV is a small

580
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electronic security device that makes it

581
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:32,730
look like someone is home watching TV by

582
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,610
simulating the light from a real TV fake

583
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TV could be the difference between

584
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coming home to a secure house or one

585
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586
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588
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590
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591
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592
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617
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:05,340
and you are tuned in to the para cast

618
00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:07,530
let me tell you what you're gonna hear

619
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:08,790
stuff here

620
00:27:15,650 --> 00:27:11,460
that you probably won't hear anywhere

621
00:27:18,050 --> 00:27:15,660
else here that George snoring I can't

622
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:18,060
resist that statement you know about

623
00:27:21,770 --> 00:27:19,770
Jane there or it's something we drink

624
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:21,780
maybe I'm thinking of my late friend Jim

625
00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:23,790
Mosley who always had a glass but

626
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:26,160
usually whiskey that was his favorite

627
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:28,380
drink okay so you're saying in these

628
00:27:34,790 --> 00:27:31,890
ceremonies the gin is that the power the

629
00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:34,800
essence is bound to a necklace or a

630
00:27:39,620 --> 00:27:36,630
bracelet or something is everything that

631
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:39,630
it becomes part of it or what it

632
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:44,100
essentially becomes imprisoned by it so

633
00:27:51,050 --> 00:27:46,650
if you go back to original you know gin

634
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:51,060
lore from the Islamic texts you'll find

635
00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:53,910
that when the gin and let me back up for

636
00:27:57,410 --> 00:27:55,040
anybody doesn't know you know

637
00:27:59,150 --> 00:27:57,420
classically the the whole mythos of the

638
00:28:02,390 --> 00:27:59,160
gin was that they were one of the three

639
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,400
races created by Allah the other two

640
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:05,760
being angels in him so when Allah came

641
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:09,000
along and ordered that the jinn had to

642
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:11,460
bow down to the superiority of humans

643
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:15,450
they refused and in their refusal they

644
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:16,290
were banished

645
00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:20,310
now the banishment in this tradition is

646
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:22,590
that they were you know sounds like they

647
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,330
were sent into another dimension on

648
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:26,460
earth essentially they were just forced

649
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:29,250
off the human plane in terms of walking

650
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:31,610
around physical beings like we are and

651
00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:35,370
as a result the Jenner said to be able

652
00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:38,190
to exist within anything just that you

653
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:39,990
you can't see them they're these sort of

654
00:28:45,670 --> 00:28:43,620
invisible beings so when you get to the

655
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:45,680
Middle East you'll find that a lot of

656
00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:48,510
abandoned buildings and even historical

657
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:51,030
sites like Petra that are purportedly

658
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:55,770
you know inhabited by jinn and as a

659
00:29:01,550 --> 00:28:59,340
result of this these beings exist in the

660
00:29:04,550 --> 00:29:01,560
world all around this somewhere along

661
00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:04,560
the way magicians got the idea that oh

662
00:29:09,260 --> 00:29:07,350
you can contact these beings and and

663
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,270
bind them to a particular object in

664
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:12,000
other words imprison them by connecting

665
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:14,310
them permanently to a ring or a necklace

666
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:16,530
and so forth is that where the legend of

667
00:29:20,930 --> 00:29:18,810
the genie in the bottle comes from yeah

668
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,940
sure is sure is that's that's the

669
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,320
Western eyes

670
00:29:27,230 --> 00:29:24,240
version and you know in the West we

671
00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:27,240
we've come to be conditioned to believe

672
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:29,460
these things are sort of a joke I mean

673
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:32,279
you say gin now in the West and first of

674
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:33,240
all most people don't know what you're

675
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:35,130
talking about they like you said gene I

676
00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:36,450
think you're talking about a bottle of

677
00:29:42,139 --> 00:29:40,169
liquor but when you say genie you know a

678
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:42,149
couple of things come to mind either the

679
00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:44,610
goofy Disney cartoon or if you're a

680
00:29:47,779 --> 00:29:46,230
little bit older like I am then you

681
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:47,789
automatically think of you know I Dream

682
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:50,610
of Jeannie this bumbling bonbon in a

683
00:29:53,749 --> 00:29:52,500
harem pants you know I mean out of a

684
00:29:56,419 --> 00:29:53,759
bottle with no belly button

685
00:29:58,399 --> 00:29:56,429
all right I was about to say that great

686
00:30:00,619 --> 00:29:58,409
in the same iet's think alike that

687
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:00,629
because of the nature of TV in those

688
00:30:05,899 --> 00:30:04,620
days you can show a belly button but if

689
00:30:08,419 --> 00:30:05,909
you've seen a picture of barbara eden

690
00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:08,429
and she's got to be 80 years of age she

691
00:30:13,009 --> 00:30:10,409
looks like you know 50 or something it's

692
00:30:18,259 --> 00:30:13,019
amazing so she has magical powers i

693
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:18,269
believe that yeah she can still get into

694
00:30:23,749 --> 00:30:22,409
the genie outfit very oh yeah so you

695
00:30:25,419 --> 00:30:23,759
know we're conditioned in the West to

696
00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:25,429
think that these things are a joke and

697
00:30:31,159 --> 00:30:27,779
that they're just you know sort of silly

698
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:31,169
or comical and and that you know they're

699
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:33,690
they're part of this mythology oh you

700
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:35,129
find a following you rub and you get

701
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:37,529
three wishes but really when you start

702
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:39,929
studying a lot of the ancient lore of

703
00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:41,370
these beings you'll find that they're

704
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:42,470
much more sinister

705
00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:44,970
it gets pretty complex when you really

706
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:47,399
very complex there's the whole classes

707
00:30:52,639 --> 00:30:50,700
of genies they have societies they some

708
00:30:55,580 --> 00:30:52,649
of them you know they're divided up into

709
00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:55,590
colors colors are more powerful than

710
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:57,539
others and there's there's fewer of them

711
00:31:01,999 --> 00:31:00,299
they have lifespans there's quite a

712
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:02,009
mythology that's around it and David

713
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,970
your whole point of this cross-cultural

714
00:31:09,259 --> 00:31:07,200
connection of soldiers returning with

715
00:31:12,139 --> 00:31:09,269
objects that that may somehow be

716
00:31:14,899 --> 00:31:12,149
associated with these types of forces

717
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:14,909
are the belief in these entities I find

718
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:16,919
that fascinating because normally if

719
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:20,070
you're not a believer in something at

720
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:22,740
least consciously that will have an

721
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:26,970
effect somewhat but what you're

722
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:30,840
describing this sounds like it could be

723
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:32,700
some sort of support for the whole for

724
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:34,210
the whole phenomenon

725
00:31:38,260 --> 00:31:36,650
yeah I definitely think so and that's

726
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:38,270
you know that's sort of my approach to

727
00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:41,600
the whole topic and I think again we

728
00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:43,700
we've got so many of these cases that

729
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:46,160
are cropping up now but I don't think we

730
00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:47,600
can just brush it aside and say all

731
00:31:52,420 --> 00:31:49,580
these people are imagining things and

732
00:31:54,010 --> 00:31:52,430
you know when you look at the context of

733
00:31:57,220 --> 00:31:54,020
what's happened over the last ten years

734
00:31:59,620 --> 00:31:57,230
or so and the increased interaction with

735
00:32:01,870 --> 00:31:59,630
those cultures in the Middle East then

736
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:01,880
it it becomes quite compelling to start

737
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:04,310
comparing that with the idea that we've

738
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:06,050
got all these people that are

739
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:08,110
experiencing these weird things from

740
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:11,030
from some type of you know interaction

741
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,330
with whether it's an artifact or cursed

742
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:16,880
object or whatever it is well I've

743
00:32:22,390 --> 00:32:19,910
noticed that the rosemary guy Lee is

744
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:22,400
jumping more and more into this idea

745
00:32:27,490 --> 00:32:25,910
that gener are being misidentified in

746
00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:27,500
the West and that they're they're being

747
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:30,260
the phenomenal events and poltergeist

748
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:32,690
type activity and more negative

749
00:32:37,090 --> 00:32:35,480
hauntings I'd say I think she's becoming

750
00:32:41,170 --> 00:32:37,100
more and more convinced that these are

751
00:32:43,090 --> 00:32:41,180
actually genu you think that that

752
00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:43,100
everything is happening out there could

753
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:45,980
be ascribed to a Djinn or do you feel

754
00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:48,890
that this is just a a more kind of a

755
00:32:53,230 --> 00:32:50,780
Middle Eastern interpretation of

756
00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:53,240
something that exists everywhere and has

757
00:32:57,550 --> 00:32:55,550
a different face and a different tag in

758
00:33:00,130 --> 00:32:57,560
each culture well I think you hit it

759
00:33:01,930 --> 00:33:00,140
right on the head there Chris you know

760
00:33:03,790 --> 00:33:01,940
rosemary is a great friend and she's

761
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:03,800
done some incredible research on the

762
00:33:08,380 --> 00:33:06,170
topic you know we don't agree on

763
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:08,390
absolutely everything I mean she's she

764
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:10,730
has taken the approach that the Djinn

765
00:33:16,030 --> 00:33:13,910
are essentially responsible for just

766
00:33:18,190 --> 00:33:16,040
about any anything and when you go into

767
00:33:20,530 --> 00:33:18,200
the lore of these beans you'll find that

768
00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:20,540
for instance they can shape-shift so you

769
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:22,310
know technically they can take any form

770
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:26,450
whether that be a gray alien assassin or

771
00:33:33,340 --> 00:33:30,190
whatever but you know I don't think that

772
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:33,350
I'm not so quick to jump on the idea

773
00:33:38,050 --> 00:33:35,690
that one specific phenomena is

774
00:33:40,110 --> 00:33:38,060
responsible for everything we're

775
00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:40,120
experiencing in the paranormal world I

776
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:42,590
think that we definitely do have to

777
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:45,760
consider cultural interpretation and

778
00:33:49,630 --> 00:33:48,110
it's it's really

779
00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:49,640
interesting to see how these things are

780
00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:51,980
developing with the fact that the world

781
00:33:56,740 --> 00:33:54,230
has rapidly become more and more

782
00:33:58,299 --> 00:33:56,750
interconnected and how it wasn't so long

783
00:34:00,340 --> 00:33:58,309
ago on this planet that you know the

784
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,350
average person really had no idea

785
00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:03,200
anything about the Middle East then you

786
00:34:09,399 --> 00:34:05,780
know now we've got such an interaction

787
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:09,409
of world cultures at a rapid pace that

788
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:12,169
these traditions in these concepts are

789
00:34:17,169 --> 00:34:15,440
starting to cross pollinate and you know

790
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,179
travel around the world at a rapid pace

791
00:34:22,659 --> 00:34:20,720
so I think like you're saying we're

792
00:34:24,220 --> 00:34:22,669
definitely looking at a cultural

793
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:24,230
interpretation of some type of

794
00:34:29,859 --> 00:34:27,169
phenomenon that's just what the Middle

795
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,869
Eastern peoples described it has this

796
00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:32,240
concept of these Djinn you go to other

797
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:35,000
areas you know get into the parts of

798
00:34:38,980 --> 00:34:36,770
Europe you know that Celtic lands and

799
00:34:41,409 --> 00:34:38,990
you'll find that it's the leaf of

800
00:34:43,869 --> 00:34:41,419
another failure responsible for a lot of

801
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:43,879
the mischief and the strange things that

802
00:34:48,070 --> 00:34:45,649
happened whether it's strange lights in

803
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:48,080
the sky all those are very like trouble

804
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:49,790
poltergeist like activity oh you

805
00:34:54,730 --> 00:34:51,649
probably know irritated with wee people

806
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:54,740
so um you know you have to consider

807
00:34:59,020 --> 00:34:56,270
those things in it it's uh it's

808
00:35:01,960 --> 00:34:59,030
fascinating to see as I said has all

809
00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:01,970
these cultures you know continue to mix

810
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:04,760
and intermingle how our perception that

811
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:05,900
these things are starting to develop

812
00:35:11,470 --> 00:35:09,170
well would you interpret this then in

813
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:11,480
terms of your cultural conditioning

814
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:14,510
therefore maybe we're using gin also as

815
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,330
an excuse so nowadays you talk about

816
00:35:22,690 --> 00:35:19,520
lights in the sky so we live in a

817
00:35:25,450 --> 00:35:22,700
science fiction culture do we take Djinn

818
00:35:27,609 --> 00:35:25,460
phenomena as being a UFO

819
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:27,619
can there be a relationship now we have

820
00:35:31,570 --> 00:35:29,090
only about a minute left in this segment

821
00:35:33,220 --> 00:35:31,580
so maybe we can start the answer here

822
00:35:35,710 --> 00:35:33,230
then move it on to the next segment

823
00:35:37,390 --> 00:35:35,720
David well the basic answer is that yes

824
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:37,400
there are people that that would argue

825
00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:40,640
that the UFO manifestations are a result

826
00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:45,740
of jinn activity all right even when

827
00:35:51,370 --> 00:35:47,630
they seem to be physical what about the

828
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:51,380
physical manifestations of UFOs trace

829
00:35:57,810 --> 00:35:53,690
evidence things in the ground people

830
00:36:01,570 --> 00:35:57,820
being seeing entities around them

831
00:36:02,020 --> 00:36:01,580
photographing them still jinn you know

832
00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:02,030
if

833
00:36:05,770 --> 00:36:03,740
I was playing devil's advocate and

834
00:36:07,570 --> 00:36:05,780
arguing that everything was gin I could

835
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,580
definitely say that yeah I mean it's not

836
00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:09,920
my personal viewpoint but when you look

837
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:12,230
at gin lore according to those

838
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:14,570
traditions that is definitely possible

839
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:16,370
because they can manifest as anything

840
00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:18,710
into stir so they take on a physical

841
00:36:22,830 --> 00:36:20,030
aspect is what you're saying and

842
00:36:25,210 --> 00:36:22,840
therefore oh boy

843
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:25,220
getting really crazy by the way but

844
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:27,770
ladies and gentlemen David Weatherly is

845
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:31,130
joining us he has a new book out which

846
00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:32,930
is called strange intruders and we've

847
00:36:37,330 --> 00:36:35,030
talked about black-eyed children and

848
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,340
right now we're talking about gin and

849
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:39,200
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just mean to the target ladies and

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gentlemen am I asking you to take your

952
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belief system and place it at the door

953
00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:20,080
and listen but David Weatherly has some

954
00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:22,900
fascinating theories to voice one of

955
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:25,720
which is when we say gin we're

956
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:27,960
interpreting it in the Middle East

957
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:31,090
culture but if we look at European

958
00:41:36,210 --> 00:41:34,090
cultures American cultures I assume then

959
00:41:38,070 --> 00:41:36,220
that the Native Americans have legends

960
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,080
that are related to this too right oh

961
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:40,480
sure I mean they don't they don't call

962
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:42,450
them the Djinn obviously but you know

963
00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:45,730
various native tribes we'll talk about

964
00:41:49,350 --> 00:41:47,560
different types of spiritual beans it's

965
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,360
not commonly known you know around the

966
00:41:54,450 --> 00:41:51,520
world but a lot of native tribes have

967
00:41:56,850 --> 00:41:54,460
licenses of little people and you know

968
00:41:59,940 --> 00:41:56,860
that's uh in most people's minds a

969
00:42:02,850 --> 00:41:59,950
specific to Ireland and and you know the

970
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:02,860
Celtic region but that's not the case we

971
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:04,570
find little people traditions around the

972
00:42:08,130 --> 00:42:04,960
world

973
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:08,140
Hawaii has the Menehune you go to the

974
00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:09,880
Northeast you'll find the puck Wow geez

975
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:14,700
so you know these are sort of global

976
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:18,010
concepts that you know crop up and

977
00:42:22,530 --> 00:42:19,510
altars all over the place

978
00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:22,540
okay now the big question people ask the

979
00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:24,670
people interested in physical phenomena

980
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:27,190
with all these legends and maybe we can

981
00:42:32,070 --> 00:42:29,290
find a singular cause whatever you want

982
00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:32,080
to label it chin whatever how the heck

983
00:42:35,610 --> 00:42:34,180
can we prove it before we even get to

984
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:35,620
the black-eyed children-- and the

985
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:37,810
slender man and all that how do we prove

986
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:40,930
gin Wow I don't know if I have an answer

987
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:42,780
for that because you know everyone's

988
00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:45,490
concept of what constitutes proof is

989
00:42:50,130 --> 00:42:48,460
going to be different a skeptic wouldn't

990
00:42:52,650 --> 00:42:50,140
believe in Sasquatch if one picked him

991
00:42:54,140 --> 00:42:52,660
up and carried them away but that might

992
00:42:57,330 --> 00:42:54,150
be something you

993
00:43:00,480 --> 00:42:57,340
that would be great but you know I

994
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:00,490
believer is you know content just with

995
00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:03,790
the idea that these things it so act I

996
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:05,740
think that individuals have to find

997
00:43:12,450 --> 00:43:09,369
their own comfortable place with what

998
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:12,460
constitutes proof for them this is not

999
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:15,310
something that you can expect any

1000
00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:19,359
centralized scientific consensus on you

1001
00:43:23,849 --> 00:43:21,220
know maybe eventually because I think

1002
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:23,859
what we're seeing with the development

1003
00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:27,810
of the quantum sciences is reach towards

1004
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,670
sort of spiritual and mystical concepts

1005
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:32,560
so I think eventually some of those

1006
00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:35,710
things are going to start to interact to

1007
00:43:41,010 --> 00:43:38,680
a pretty large degree and and I can give

1008
00:43:44,310 --> 00:43:41,020
an example of that you know there's this

1009
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:44,320
concept of portals that you'll find all

1010
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,730
over the world you go to different

1011
00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:48,160
cultures and you'll find this legend

1012
00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:51,070
about a race of beings that lived here

1013
00:43:55,859 --> 00:43:54,099
with us and at some point they left now

1014
00:43:57,660 --> 00:43:55,869
you know ancient alien theories will

1015
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:57,670
jump on that and say wow that was the

1016
00:44:01,740 --> 00:43:59,700
you know the aliens that came down and

1017
00:44:04,050 --> 00:44:01,750
tinkered around and then left in their

1018
00:44:06,180 --> 00:44:04,060
spaceships but really what's you more

1019
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:06,190
often find in a lot of these tales is

1020
00:44:11,070 --> 00:44:08,470
that okay these beans were here and they

1021
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:11,080
left through you know a hole in the

1022
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:13,450
ground or a shimmering doorway and so

1023
00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:15,609
forth and that to me you know for me

1024
00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:17,560
personally that translates as some type

1025
00:44:21,420 --> 00:44:20,140
of dimensional travel or some type of

1026
00:44:24,089 --> 00:44:21,430
portal that they're traveling through

1027
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:24,099
and that sounds like fantasy or science

1028
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:26,890
fiction to a lot of people but when you

1029
00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:28,750
back up a little bit and consider that

1030
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:30,520
you know in the last few years that

1031
00:44:34,980 --> 00:44:32,680
quantum sciences and you know these

1032
00:44:37,290 --> 00:44:34,990
different string theories and so forth

1033
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:37,300
are looking at concepts of other

1034
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,619
dimensions existing you know there's

1035
00:44:46,589 --> 00:44:42,640
phd's that have come forward and say

1036
00:44:48,270 --> 00:44:46,599
okay we we now believe in theorize that

1037
00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:48,280
there are other dimensions of existence

1038
00:44:52,109 --> 00:44:50,260
you know there at least twelve or

1039
00:44:53,339 --> 00:44:52,119
whatever the number they're saying it we

1040
00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:53,349
don't know how to get to them or what

1041
00:44:56,579 --> 00:44:54,670
they look like but we know they're there

1042
00:45:00,000 --> 00:44:56,589
you know when you say that you talk

1043
00:45:02,820 --> 00:45:00,010
about creatures that abandon us maybe a

1044
00:45:06,590 --> 00:45:02,830
few thousand years ago I think of deer

1045
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:06,600
oh Richard shavers Darrow and Tara where

1046
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,480
the people who were left behind for

1047
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:12,480
whatever reason anchored the caverns but

1048
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:14,130
wouldn't you think that maybe even

1049
00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:16,260
shavers DeRose were based on similar

1050
00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:18,660
legends probably so I mean a lot of

1051
00:45:21,860 --> 00:45:20,190
native cultures you know have these

1052
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:21,870
legends of creatures that went

1053
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,330
underground at some point sometimes

1054
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,400
they're described as reptilians and I

1055
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:28,800
know that it's a real nerve with a lot

1056
00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:32,400
of people these days but you know this

1057
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,950
this concept you know this cultural

1058
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:36,720
image that we have it's really been

1059
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:39,660
around for a very very long time and a

1060
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:42,210
lot of times people lose track of the

1061
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:43,980
historical context of these things

1062
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:46,170
because they focus on the you know

1063
00:45:51,350 --> 00:45:48,990
whatever the current meme is so a good

1064
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:51,360
example of that is you mentioned alien

1065
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:55,110
now spaceman or alien the images

1066
00:45:58,900 --> 00:45:56,850
automatically conjured in the minds and

1067
00:46:01,040 --> 00:45:58,910
those people is what the little grey

1068
00:46:05,090 --> 00:46:01,050
alien with the big head and the black

1069
00:46:06,980 --> 00:46:05,100
eyes but you know you trace that back

1070
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:06,990
and you'll find that once Trevor

1071
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:09,690
released Communion in 87 now with that

1072
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:12,330
really iconic cover of that great alien

1073
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:15,660
that really earned that concept and

1074
00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:18,540
everyone's consciousness okay this is

1075
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:20,940
this is what the aliens of the life so

1076
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:23,010
basically he contributed to the

1077
00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:26,880
perception yes he did something did not

1078
00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:28,500
create it because we can start tracing

1079
00:46:33,350 --> 00:46:31,590
that backwards for instance in 1901 HT

1080
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:33,360
Welles released out of first man in the

1081
00:46:39,830 --> 00:46:36,960
moon and he describes in that book the

1082
00:46:40,940 --> 00:46:39,840
Cielo nights these beans that live

1083
00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:40,950
underground

1084
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:45,990
they have brace in large heads and huge

1085
00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:49,800
round black eyes so you know this this

1086
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:54,030
is a you know I think these a lot of

1087
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:55,410
these images exist in people's

1088
00:47:00,140 --> 00:46:57,690
subconscious mind going way back to

1089
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:00,150
early early lore of you know whether

1090
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:02,910
it's tribal or whatever and it just gets

1091
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:07,500
sort of rebirth on occasions and brought

1092
00:47:14,290 --> 00:47:10,800
to a different contemporary level you

1093
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:14,300
also have the iconic image of lamb from

1094
00:47:22,279 --> 00:47:20,400
1995 with probably absolutely yeah

1095
00:47:24,799 --> 00:47:22,289
and and so you know the point is you can

1096
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,809
find those images all throughout history

1097
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:27,119
you really take the time to research it

1098
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:29,460
and start tracing it backwards and you I

1099
00:47:34,819 --> 00:47:31,529
honestly don't know you know where the

1100
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:34,829
first iteration of that image came from

1101
00:47:40,999 --> 00:47:37,740
it was probably some something from some

1102
00:47:43,279 --> 00:47:41,009
tribal or somewhere that eventually just

1103
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:43,289
evolved to its current stage but even

1104
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:45,930
the conditions of the interactions with

1105
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:49,740
these beings we see that sort of rebirth

1106
00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:52,710
on a constant level - and and an example

1107
00:47:59,089 --> 00:47:55,460
of that is you look at contemporary

1108
00:48:02,299 --> 00:47:59,099
abduction accounts and you start

1109
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:02,309
correlating that with fairy lore from

1110
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:05,460
Ireland and it's the comparisons are

1111
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:08,930
pretty compelling you know missing time

1112
00:48:14,989 --> 00:48:13,200
WAIS in the sky you know different

1113
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:14,999
physical interactions it's this pretty

1114
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:18,450
amazing stuff so we could easily say

1115
00:48:27,259 --> 00:48:24,720
that you know the current interpretation

1116
00:48:28,819 --> 00:48:27,269
that we're having of these experiences

1117
00:48:30,979 --> 00:48:28,829
with these whatever these beings are

1118
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:30,989
that we're describing is as great aliens

1119
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:33,150
really goes back much further in history

1120
00:48:39,259 --> 00:48:36,559
- so what you're doing here is taking

1121
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:39,269
the legend of the Djinn and making it

1122
00:48:44,299 --> 00:48:42,720
more up close and personal well I think

1123
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:44,309
that's what's happened and just by

1124
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:47,249
conditions you know it's we're seeing

1125
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:49,980
sort of a renaissance in the concept of

1126
00:48:55,370 --> 00:48:53,400
the Djinn right now I think also what we

1127
00:48:58,039 --> 00:48:55,380
have here unfortunately in this country

1128
00:49:00,769 --> 00:48:58,049
is we don't want to look at legends of

1129
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:00,779
things from the Middle East and there

1130
00:49:06,829 --> 00:49:03,569
are religious concerns over there as you

1131
00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:06,839
might know sure yeah I would agree with

1132
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:09,660
that and you know I think that the other

1133
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:12,529
side of that is that there's a general

1134
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:18,210
reluctance in the in much of the u.s. to

1135
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:20,730
really looking at things in depth anyway

1136
00:49:24,769 --> 00:49:22,710
you know we're sort of live in a fast

1137
00:49:27,529 --> 00:49:24,779
food culture where people want these

1138
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:27,539
instant answers you know bus they were

1139
00:49:31,489 --> 00:49:29,099
drive through and get your you know

1140
00:49:33,859 --> 00:49:31,499
super-sized meal in a couple of minutes

1141
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:33,869
why should you spend much time delving

1142
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:34,200
into

1143
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:36,570
to the lure of these weird happenings

1144
00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:38,609
and I'm certainly not saying that

1145
00:49:42,859 --> 00:49:40,470
everyone is like that but again it goes

1146
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:42,869
to addition and what people are used to

1147
00:49:48,349 --> 00:49:46,170
and you know I find I travel a lot and I

1148
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:48,359
find that the United States is very

1149
00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:50,910
unique in that people here really want

1150
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:53,030
instant answers

1151
00:50:00,140 --> 00:49:58,140
there's no patience for anything no so

1152
00:50:02,089 --> 00:50:00,150
unfortunate isn't it it also seems

1153
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,099
difficult because if you have something

1154
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:05,520
that's a long range phenomenon and what

1155
00:50:10,460 --> 00:50:07,140
you're talking about or just UFOs in

1156
00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:10,470
general strange creatures anything these

1157
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:12,390
things have been going on for years and

1158
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:14,730
we keep begging for an answer yesterday

1159
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:17,339
and obviously those of us have been

1160
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:19,410
chasing these things for a long long

1161
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:22,920
time and you have what 35 years on your

1162
00:50:27,859 --> 00:50:25,740
under your belt that's correct yeah okay

1163
00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:27,869
you've been chasing it for many years we

1164
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:30,150
know Chris has several decades I've been

1165
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:33,540
around it for a few hundred years that

1166
00:50:37,579 --> 00:50:35,609
we're not expecting any immediate

1167
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:37,589
answers of course sometimes the big

1168
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:40,530
frustration is not that we don't have

1169
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:42,210
immediate answers but that we're not

1170
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:44,910
making an awful lot of progress over the

1171
00:50:51,050 --> 00:50:47,640
years it seems as if we keep asking the

1172
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,060
same questions we continue posing the

1173
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:53,280
same theories we'll continue having the

1174
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:55,380
same disputes and we got into some of

1175
00:51:00,589 --> 00:50:57,420
those disputes in the section of the

1176
00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:00,599
show before you got on so it gets to be

1177
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:03,300
downright frustrating but we're going to

1178
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:04,980
tribal going to persevere we're to ask

1179
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:08,970
more about these weird creatures these

1180
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:12,210
strange intruders in our next segment

1181
00:51:16,849 --> 00:51:15,180
David Weatherly joins us on the parent

1182
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:16,859
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1204
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1205
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1210
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

1236
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1237
00:54:14,860 --> 00:54:13,010
here's James Steinberg on the power cast

1238
00:54:18,070 --> 00:54:14,870
with Gene and Chris David Weatherly

1239
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:18,080
making his uncor parents here his latest

1240
00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:20,930
book strange intruders now before we go

1241
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:22,990
on let me ask you about that title

1242
00:54:29,230 --> 00:54:26,450
intruders that implies evil or harmful

1243
00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:29,240
it does and you know it's sort of based

1244
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:32,780
on the concept that most of these beans

1245
00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:36,530
that I cover in this book are you know

1246
00:54:42,820 --> 00:54:39,700
there's certainly unwanted visitors they

1247
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:42,830
come in very suddenly into people's

1248
00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:46,310
lives and you know hence the hence the

1249
00:54:52,450 --> 00:54:49,880
title intruders okay but coming in

1250
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:52,460
unwanted does that mean they want to do

1251
00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:53,090
us harm

1252
00:54:56,860 --> 00:54:54,500
or are we just frightened because

1253
00:55:00,700 --> 00:54:56,870
they're strange you know what I really

1254
00:55:04,330 --> 00:55:00,710
focused on in this book was beans that

1255
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:04,340
seemed to have a more sinister agenda or

1256
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:08,230
at the least were causing very

1257
00:55:13,630 --> 00:55:11,210
unsettling and disturbing periods in

1258
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:13,640
people's lives so an example obviously

1259
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:16,250
you mentioned the soldiers who bring

1260
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:18,290
back an artifact or a necklace or

1261
00:55:24,370 --> 00:55:21,830
jewelry that's been infected or infused

1262
00:55:26,770 --> 00:55:24,380
with a jinn what other things that we

1263
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:26,780
see happening as far as other beings

1264
00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:28,850
that are covered in this does that come

1265
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:32,420
as a shadow people too and this is

1266
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:34,280
something that you know it's floated

1267
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:35,570
around in the paranormal world for a

1268
00:55:41,260 --> 00:55:38,960
long time no pun intended and once again

1269
00:55:43,690 --> 00:55:41,270
a lot of those who are studying this

1270
00:55:44,980 --> 00:55:43,700
jinn lore now interpreting the shadow

1271
00:55:47,069 --> 00:55:44,990
people as oh this is just a

1272
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:47,079
manifestation at the Djinn

1273
00:55:52,829 --> 00:55:48,660
I really feel it's something completely

1274
00:55:54,839 --> 00:55:52,839
separate and these encounters you know

1275
00:55:57,269 --> 00:55:54,849
they're essentially the cult shadow

1276
00:55:58,969 --> 00:55:57,279
beans because they literally look like

1277
00:56:03,569 --> 00:55:58,979
the shadow of a person

1278
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,579
however they they move independently of

1279
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:05,920
physical people as opposed to looking

1280
00:56:09,989 --> 00:56:09,130
like a fictional shadowy character all

1281
00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:09,999
fiction okay

1282
00:56:14,849 --> 00:56:13,390
right so you know these are shadow forms

1283
00:56:18,779 --> 00:56:14,859
that seem to have a life of their own

1284
00:56:21,959 --> 00:56:18,789
and this is something that you know

1285
00:56:25,019 --> 00:56:21,969
picked up a lot of steam in the past

1286
00:56:27,180 --> 00:56:25,029
several years with the introduction of

1287
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,190
all that ghost hunting shows you know

1288
00:56:32,339 --> 00:56:29,440
you tation Alesi these these guys go out

1289
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:32,349
and talk about shadow people and haunted

1290
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:34,930
locations that are are plagued by shadow

1291
00:56:40,529 --> 00:56:37,390
men and so forth then they're always

1292
00:56:44,209 --> 00:56:40,539
presented has these sort of dark

1293
00:56:46,979 --> 00:56:44,219
sinister figures that are coming into

1294
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:46,989
causal misery in people's lives

1295
00:56:53,729 --> 00:56:50,170
and I receive a lot of accounts of these

1296
00:56:55,229 --> 00:56:53,739
things they're pretty much fallen in the

1297
00:56:57,269 --> 00:56:55,239
same category and that someone will

1298
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,279
begin to see the manifestation of this

1299
00:57:02,579 --> 00:56:59,920
shadow being and their room and it's

1300
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:02,589
it's very intriguing in that part of the

1301
00:57:10,499 --> 00:57:06,880
time it seems to border on on stories

1302
00:57:12,269 --> 00:57:10,509
similar to the whole night hag or you

1303
00:57:14,910 --> 00:57:12,279
know these beans have come in just as

1304
00:57:17,219 --> 00:57:14,920
someone is falling asleep there's

1305
00:57:20,299 --> 00:57:17,229
sometimes sleep paralysis is involved

1306
00:57:22,229 --> 00:57:20,309
and you really have to wonder what

1307
00:57:23,789 --> 00:57:22,239
psychologically is going on with people

1308
00:57:25,949 --> 00:57:23,799
that are experiencing these things

1309
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:25,959
because you know they're convinced that

1310
00:57:30,959 --> 00:57:28,440
they had a real physical experience

1311
00:57:32,819 --> 00:57:30,969
there aren't that many cases where

1312
00:57:34,829 --> 00:57:32,829
multiple people are seeing these things

1313
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,839
at the same time which you know

1314
00:57:39,269 --> 00:57:37,119
certainly leads to believe that there's

1315
00:57:40,739 --> 00:57:39,279
something going on within the specific

1316
00:57:44,339 --> 00:57:40,749
people that are having the experience

1317
00:57:46,829 --> 00:57:44,349
there are some cases where a shadow beam

1318
00:57:49,949 --> 00:57:46,839
is is you know seen multiple times by

1319
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:49,959
different people some haunted locations

1320
00:57:56,099 --> 00:57:53,680
like Waverly Hills you know that has a

1321
00:57:57,269 --> 00:57:56,109
famous shadow figure that shows up in a

1322
00:58:00,059 --> 00:57:57,279
lot of people that purportedly

1323
00:58:02,609 --> 00:58:00,069
experienced it and caught photographs of

1324
00:58:05,420 --> 00:58:02,619
and so forth parenthetically Davidov you

1325
00:58:13,009 --> 00:58:05,430
notice how these days

1326
00:58:16,769 --> 00:58:13,019
images of cultural influences strange

1327
00:58:18,839 --> 00:58:16,779
events fairy tale type phenomenon have

1328
00:58:21,870 --> 00:58:18,849
become infused in our society so we have

1329
00:58:23,999 --> 00:58:21,880
hit TV shows like once upon a time which

1330
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:24,009
takes off your fairy tale characters and

1331
00:58:27,059 --> 00:58:26,650
gives them kind of a realistic aspect to

1332
00:58:29,459 --> 00:58:27,069
them

1333
00:58:31,289 --> 00:58:29,469
we have also what's it once upon time in

1334
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:31,299
Wonderland which is Alice in Wonderland

1335
00:58:37,650 --> 00:58:34,329
we have Sleepy Hollow where Ichabod

1336
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:37,660
Crane and the Headless Horseman are

1337
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:39,849
transported through time and we get all

1338
00:58:43,890 --> 00:58:41,529
sorts of shadowy creatures running

1339
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:43,900
around and we get them all this in our

1340
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:47,920
society is it just a trend this is what

1341
00:58:52,529 --> 00:58:50,049
sells in TV these days or is there

1342
00:58:54,749 --> 00:58:52,539
something more you know I think that

1343
00:58:57,749 --> 00:58:54,759
there are two answers to that one is

1344
00:59:01,680 --> 00:58:57,759
that yeah it is it's definitely a trend

1345
00:59:04,589 --> 00:59:01,690
but you know which came first because

1346
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,599
it's also a trend because so many people

1347
00:59:09,059 --> 00:59:07,119
are interested in the paranormal and you

1348
00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:09,069
know an interesting thing happened in

1349
00:59:15,569 --> 00:59:12,190
the course of all of this television you

1350
00:59:17,339 --> 00:59:15,579
know reality entertainment and its

1351
00:59:20,279 --> 00:59:17,349
development and that's that the

1352
00:59:23,999 --> 00:59:20,289
paranormal went from being a virtually

1353
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:24,009
taboo subject to being part of pop

1354
00:59:29,579 --> 00:59:27,130
culture and in the midst of that

1355
00:59:33,229 --> 00:59:29,589
evolution we've had people you know go

1356
00:59:35,309 --> 00:59:33,239
from being absolutely tight-lipped and

1357
00:59:38,849 --> 00:59:35,319
refusing to talk about their weird

1358
00:59:42,329 --> 00:59:38,859
experiences to being more than happy to

1359
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:42,339
discuss every little you know odd bumpin

1360
00:59:46,890 --> 00:59:44,650
and noise that they've heard in the

1361
00:59:48,509 --> 00:59:46,900
night so you know I always joked that

1362
00:59:51,180 --> 00:59:48,519
after being in this field for so long

1363
00:59:53,699 --> 00:59:51,190
that you know when I started it was

1364
00:59:56,459 --> 00:59:53,709
really difficult to get people to

1365
00:59:58,529 --> 00:59:56,469
interact and relate their you know

1366
01:00:00,930 --> 00:59:58,539
accounts and their experiences to me you

1367
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:00,940
had to work at it yeah and I mean more

1368
01:00:05,279 --> 01:00:01,569
mainstream

1369
01:00:07,769 --> 01:00:05,289
my joke is that when I started in the

1370
01:00:09,959 --> 01:00:07,779
speed or if I walked in a party and said

1371
01:00:11,549 --> 01:00:09,969
I was a paranormal investigator I was

1372
01:00:13,180 --> 01:00:11,559
guaranteed to have a nice quiet evening

1373
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:13,190
by myself the rest of the night

1374
01:00:17,319 --> 01:00:15,530
because was like yeah you know that guy

1375
01:00:20,829 --> 01:00:17,329
is really weird stay away from him but

1376
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:20,839
now I can walk into a party and and if I

1377
01:00:24,819 --> 01:00:22,609
say that man the reaction is the

1378
01:00:27,309 --> 01:00:24,829
opposite they're lying about the door

1379
01:00:28,780 --> 01:00:27,319
because everyone's got a story but they

1380
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:28,790
want to relate to me you know and then

1381
01:00:33,930 --> 01:00:31,609
some what do you wait that - do you

1382
01:00:37,630 --> 01:00:33,940
think that there's we're seeing a

1383
01:00:40,450 --> 01:00:37,640
dichotomy a sort of a ivory tower sort

1384
01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:40,460
of stovepipe scientific knowledge is

1385
01:00:45,309 --> 01:00:43,160
going so far beyond the the the

1386
01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:45,319
comprehension of most people that people

1387
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:47,780
are starting to kind of have a knee-jerk

1388
01:00:52,589 --> 01:00:49,690
reaction the opposite direction towards

1389
01:00:54,609 --> 01:00:52,599
superstition interpretation folklore

1390
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:54,619
interpretations of things that they

1391
01:00:59,849 --> 01:00:56,569
don't understand you you think that this

1392
01:01:02,530 --> 01:00:59,859
modern here might be the cause of that I

1393
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,540
think that's part of it I mean we've got

1394
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,400
a variety of things that it contributed

1395
01:01:08,380 --> 01:01:06,319
one is that the television shows we're

1396
01:01:10,270 --> 01:01:08,390
talking about it's made it so much a

1397
01:01:12,609 --> 01:01:10,280
part of the mainstream that people are

1398
01:01:15,099 --> 01:01:12,619
now comfortable saying oh yeah you know

1399
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:15,109
I saw you know the ghost of aunt Matilda

1400
01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:18,290
whatever so people are more than willing

1401
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:20,990
to share those experiences we also have

1402
01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:24,530
a lot of people that are really anxious

1403
01:01:30,849 --> 01:01:27,950
to believe that these things you know

1404
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:30,859
are happening and that they've had some

1405
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:34,400
kind of experience that is unexplainable

1406
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:37,520
or is paranormal so you know you will

1407
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:39,170
get these stories where you know they're

1408
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:41,810
all aping I kind of the next morning my

1409
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:43,849
coffee cup was moved and I know it's my

1410
01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:45,890
you know the ghost of my dad as only he

1411
01:01:49,569 --> 01:01:47,900
would move that car okay you know so you

1412
01:01:51,819 --> 01:01:49,579
get some silliness like that but it's

1413
01:01:55,450 --> 01:01:51,829
it's people that are really reaching for

1414
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:55,460
something to believe in and like you're

1415
01:01:59,260 --> 01:01:57,290
saying Chris there there's a certain

1416
01:02:03,520 --> 01:01:59,270
degree of people reverting back to a

1417
01:02:06,190 --> 01:02:03,530
more primal set of beliefs but my god

1418
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:06,200
you know we've got science now that is

1419
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:09,440
saying that they they're not sure how to

1420
01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:11,930
explain things or how to reach further

1421
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:14,030
and these quantum sciences you know

1422
01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:15,410
they're trying to find the God part of

1423
01:02:19,540 --> 01:02:17,630
one things like this so you know it's

1424
01:02:21,339 --> 01:02:19,550
it's it's as if the rubberband is

1425
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:21,349
getting stretched very far and people

1426
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:23,599
are just reaching in multiple directions

1427
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:25,430
at the same time because they need

1428
01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:26,410
something more

1429
01:02:31,170 --> 01:02:28,900
something that that resonates at a

1430
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:31,180
deeper you know almost spiritual level

1431
01:02:37,049 --> 01:02:34,140
does that also possibly explain this

1432
01:02:39,299 --> 01:02:37,059
anti-science attitude on the part of

1433
01:02:42,569 --> 01:02:39,309
some people it may be because of their

1434
01:02:44,430 --> 01:02:42,579
political or religious persuasion but it

1435
01:02:47,220 --> 01:02:44,440
doesn't matter what you say the earth is

1436
01:02:49,950 --> 01:02:47,230
6,000 years old this matter that we have

1437
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:49,960
the prehistoric artifacts you know we

1438
01:02:54,420 --> 01:02:51,730
should be teaching creationism in

1439
01:02:58,220 --> 01:02:54,430
schools so whatever science has more or

1440
01:03:00,510 --> 01:02:58,230
less accepted as settled over the years

1441
01:03:04,859 --> 01:03:00,520
now you have people saying no that's not

1442
01:03:07,710 --> 01:03:04,869
so let's go back to what we believed 100

1443
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:07,720
200 500 years ago and maybe then we

1444
01:03:14,579 --> 01:03:10,690
should also have I know Flat Earth

1445
01:03:17,299 --> 01:03:14,589
theories flat it's not really round the

1446
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:17,309
earth is the center of the universe and

1447
01:03:22,380 --> 01:03:20,559
that's it we're the chosen people so we

1448
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:22,390
should live back in what the 15th

1449
01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:24,730
century but that's a belief system I

1450
01:03:29,970 --> 01:03:26,920
think part of it is that maybe science

1451
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,980
has failed people because people are

1452
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:32,319
overwhelmed with the disclosure of the

1453
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:33,849
day so they want to go back to something

1454
01:03:38,279 --> 01:03:36,010
simpler we'll find out more with David

1455
01:03:40,820 --> 01:03:38,289
Weatherly and Jean and Chris you're in

1456
01:03:48,130 --> 01:03:40,830
the Barrett cast

1457
01:03:53,930 --> 01:03:50,809
so here's what happened I was placing an

1458
01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:53,940
order online the site went down it just

1459
01:03:58,430 --> 01:03:56,579
stopped responding it took hours before

1460
01:04:00,200 --> 01:03:58,440
it returned but I'd already placed the

1461
01:04:02,779 --> 01:04:00,210
order with another company if your site

1462
01:04:04,339 --> 01:04:02,789
goes down you could lose business and if

1463
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,349
you have a business or personal site

1464
01:04:10,430 --> 01:04:06,720
you'll want to know it's easy to run and

1465
01:04:12,859 --> 01:04:10,440
it will stay online at iWeb your site is

1466
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:12,869
hosted on one of the most reliable

1467
01:04:19,339 --> 01:04:15,720
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1468
01:04:20,839 --> 01:04:19,349
web.com that's a web.com first game

1469
01:04:22,849 --> 01:04:20,849
attack of the rock codes and it was a

1470
01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:22,859
critically acclaimed success and now

1471
01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:24,809
there is the coming of the protectors a

1472
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:26,940
former military intelligence man is

1473
01:04:31,009 --> 01:04:29,249
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

1474
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:31,019
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

1475
01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:33,450
because evil forces on our distant

1476
01:04:37,849 --> 01:04:35,220
planet are planning to conquer the earth

1477
01:04:40,279 --> 01:04:37,859
this is gripping science fiction of the

1478
01:04:42,380 --> 01:04:40,289
classic kind attack of the rock codes

1479
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:42,390
and the coming of the protectors find

1480
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:44,970
out more at Rocko it's calm that's rock

1481
01:04:51,739 --> 01:04:49,410
oh it's our Ock oids calm hi this is

1482
01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:51,749
Gary Cooper with Midas resources gold

1483
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,880
and silver government shutdown in a

1484
01:04:58,219 --> 01:04:55,920
politician's entitlements looming

1485
01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:58,229
Obamacare the death of the US dollars

1486
01:05:01,789 --> 01:04:59,880
the global reserve currency is what

1487
01:05:03,529 --> 01:05:01,799
nobody wants to acknowledge we have a

1488
01:05:05,329 --> 01:05:03,539
debt bubble that cannot be paid and will

1489
01:05:07,009 --> 01:05:05,339
eventually crash the dollar if you're

1490
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:07,019
concerned about keeping your money why

1491
01:05:22,930 --> 01:05:08,640
not consider storing your wealth in gold

1492
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:37,560
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1493
01:05:59,180 --> 01:05:55,180
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1494
01:06:01,240 --> 01:05:59,190
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1495
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:01,250
the stairs go to freeze-dry guide.com

1496
01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:03,930
vote for special fall back pricing on

1497
01:06:07,940 --> 01:06:05,310
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1498
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:07,950
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1499
01:06:13,070 --> 01:06:10,500
through October 10th tell us which

1500
01:06:15,860 --> 01:06:13,080
product to put on sale then beginning

1501
01:06:18,050 --> 01:06:15,870
October 11th fall back Friday the price

1502
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:18,060
of the product with the most votes will

1503
01:06:21,830 --> 01:06:19,710
be on sale with special fall back

1504
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:21,840
pricing missing out on a sale on

1505
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:24,240
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1506
01:06:28,820 --> 01:06:26,970
or backpacking food bad storing

1507
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:28,830
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1508
01:06:33,950 --> 01:06:31,650
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1509
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,960
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1510
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:35,760
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1511
01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:38,010
voting for politicians who expose

1512
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:40,710
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1513
01:06:49,090 --> 01:06:44,160
pricing at freeze dry guy.com good go to

1514
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:51,320
every time you eat a cooked food your

1515
01:06:54,590 --> 01:06:53,070
body responds by producing an increase

1516
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:54,600
in circulating white blood cells

1517
01:06:58,910 --> 01:06:56,610
this happens because nature designed us

1518
01:07:01,160 --> 01:06:58,920
to eat food that is undamaged at the

1519
01:07:02,930 --> 01:07:01,170
molecular level when we heat food to

1520
01:07:04,700 --> 01:07:02,940
normal cooking temperatures we change

1521
01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:04,710
the shape of the molecules into shapes

1522
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:07,110
the body cannot use the body now looks

1523
01:07:11,090 --> 01:07:09,690
at them as toxins and allergens in an

1524
01:07:12,830 --> 01:07:11,100
effort to protect itself from this

1525
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:12,840
irritant the body intelligently

1526
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:14,250
increases the amount of circulating

1527
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:16,530
white blood cells to act as garbage

1528
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:18,570
collectors white blood cells gobble up

1529
01:07:22,190 --> 01:07:20,490
all the unusable damaged food particles

1530
01:07:24,050 --> 01:07:22,200
to neutralize their cell damaging

1531
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,060
properties this puts stress on your

1532
01:07:27,350 --> 01:07:25,920
organs of elimination and your body is

1533
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:27,360
subject to cell damage and inflammation

1534
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if you'd like to start experiencing the

1535
01:07:34,940 --> 01:07:31,770
benefits of undamaged protein in your

1536
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:34,950
diet give one world way a try it is a

1537
01:07:39,350 --> 01:07:37,290
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1538
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1539
01:07:42,980 --> 01:07:41,160
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1540
01:07:44,570 --> 01:07:42,990
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1541
01:07:47,330 --> 01:07:44,580
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1542
01:07:51,890 --> 01:07:47,340
three two five or visit one world

1543
01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:51,900
WHU ey dot-com we'd like to hear from

1544
01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:53,940
you if you have a comment or question

1545
01:07:58,940 --> 01:07:55,380
about the para cats

1546
01:08:02,630 --> 01:07:58,950
sent it to news at the para cast com

1547
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:02,640
that's news at the para cast calm and

1548
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:04,680
don't forget to visit our famous para

1549
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:07,859
cast community forums at forum dot the

1550
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:12,690
para cast calm so I brought this up

1551
01:08:17,870 --> 01:08:14,609
because popular science magazine

1552
01:08:21,410 --> 01:08:17,880
recently with their online forums they

1553
01:08:23,899 --> 01:08:21,420
blocked comments to scientific articles

1554
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,909
they turned off the comments machine you

1555
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:25,679
know like you go to a blog or something

1556
01:08:29,629 --> 01:08:28,049
there's always a comments panel or like

1557
01:08:31,939 --> 01:08:29,639
we have forums over at forum dropped

1558
01:08:35,329 --> 01:08:31,949
apparent cast calm and they did that

1559
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:35,339
because a small subset of people were

1560
01:08:39,410 --> 01:08:36,960
just getting in there and starting flame

1561
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:39,420
wars over things that we pretty much

1562
01:08:43,070 --> 01:08:41,370
except in science complaining about

1563
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:43,080
everything the so-called anti science

1564
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:45,690
crowd so David Weatherly as our society

1565
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:49,259
grows do we find people seeking the

1566
01:08:54,110 --> 01:08:51,000
simpler life when we didn't have all

1567
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,120
this and does that explain the anti

1568
01:08:58,039 --> 01:08:56,159
science attitude we see I think that's a

1569
01:09:01,129 --> 01:08:58,049
portion of it I mean you have to

1570
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:01,139
consider too that the rapid development

1571
01:09:08,539 --> 01:09:05,850
in technology really has overwhelmed

1572
01:09:11,899 --> 01:09:08,549
people my gosh I ain't know people like

1573
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:11,909
us that you know went from little

1574
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:13,650
black-and-white televisions and and you

1575
01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:16,170
know color was a big deal and you know

1576
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:17,699
now you can walk around with a little

1577
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:19,290
handheld device and watch you know

1578
01:09:25,579 --> 01:09:22,799
television from Asia and in your hand

1579
01:09:28,510 --> 01:09:25,589
you want to the the rate at which

1580
01:09:31,340 --> 01:09:28,520
technology has grown and it really has

1581
01:09:33,260 --> 01:09:31,350
overwhelmed a lot of people I think that

1582
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:33,270
you know we have a lot of people now

1583
01:09:38,959 --> 01:09:36,480
that are reaching for something that is

1584
01:09:40,519 --> 01:09:38,969
just more as a earthy I guess for lack

1585
01:09:44,030 --> 01:09:40,529
of a better word something that feels

1586
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:44,040
more tangible that they can place their

1587
01:09:48,410 --> 01:09:45,839
faith that belief

1588
01:09:50,450 --> 01:09:48,420
and has result we have a lot of people

1589
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:50,460
turning back to you know different

1590
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:52,679
expressions of religions and spiritual

1591
01:09:57,140 --> 01:09:54,510
traditions that sort of strip away all

1592
01:10:00,020 --> 01:09:57,150
of these modern concepts and science

1593
01:10:01,370 --> 01:10:00,030
certainly is at the top of the list when

1594
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:01,380
they start pushing those things away and

1595
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:03,570
rejecting them some of its political at

1596
01:10:09,109 --> 01:10:06,719
times but you know other times people

1597
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,119
are just connecting all of these various

1598
01:10:13,609 --> 01:10:11,760
into their religious concept you know

1599
01:10:16,729 --> 01:10:13,619
how many things to be here now a regular

1600
01:10:18,919 --> 01:10:16,739
basis that you know must be evidence of

1601
01:10:23,330 --> 01:10:18,929
the mark of the beast and these are

1602
01:10:25,810 --> 01:10:23,340
people that really are also looking for

1603
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:25,820
something that is transformative because

1604
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:29,130
with the conditions in the world right

1605
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:29,340
now

1606
01:10:35,629 --> 01:10:34,110
the crushing economy and all these

1607
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,639
different things I think a lot of people

1608
01:10:41,209 --> 01:10:37,920
want an escape they want something that

1609
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:41,219
is going to provide relief from these

1610
01:10:45,979 --> 01:10:43,530
things that they just have no control

1611
01:10:48,820 --> 01:10:45,989
over within their lives so as a result

1612
01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:48,830
they turned back to you know more

1613
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:50,940
spiritual and sometimes you know you

1614
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might want to turn the superstitious

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beliefs but if it works for them and it

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brings some kind of balance in their

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lives well you know everyone would say

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that's wrong going to the theory that

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our scientific and technological

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development has gone beyond our

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spiritual development and we got to get

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things into balance again right exactly

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gonna take this a step further and and

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pose the question do you think that this

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this cultural kind of pulling back

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01:11:26,629 --> 01:11:23,250
towards more basic sort of human

1627
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,639
superstitions and and explanations to

1628
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:28,560
attempt to explain these mysteries that

1629
01:11:32,180 --> 01:11:30,480
are they're not considered scientific in

1630
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,190
nature do you think that we could

1631
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:35,520
actually see manifestation of new types

1632
01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:39,330
of phenomenal creatures events similar

1633
01:11:43,729 --> 01:11:41,369
to the black-eyed children now this is a

1634
01:11:45,580 --> 01:11:43,739
fairly recent correct me if I'm wrong

1635
01:11:48,620 --> 01:11:45,590
but this is a fairly recent

1636
01:11:50,959 --> 01:11:48,630
interpretation and these encounters I

1637
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,969
think are fairly recent and we have a

1638
01:11:55,550 --> 01:11:52,800
question from one of our forum posters

1639
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:55,560
Jeff Davis and he brings up an

1640
01:11:58,609 --> 01:11:57,210
interesting point he said when I first

1641
01:12:01,160 --> 01:11:58,619
started reading of the black-eyed

1642
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,170
children via Jason Offit or launch

1643
01:12:05,839 --> 01:12:03,840
strickler yourself is where he thinks he

1644
01:12:07,790 --> 01:12:05,849
first read about a quote single

1645
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,800
individual camping trip black-eyed

1646
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,840
children-- report and the same person

1647
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:11,520
that reported the incident stated later

1648
01:12:15,379 --> 01:12:13,650
that it was a self-admitted hoax from

1649
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:15,389
someone that liked to fool people over

1650
01:12:20,660 --> 01:12:18,000
with his campfire stories and they seem

1651
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:20,670
to think that this originated on above

1652
01:12:24,610 --> 01:12:22,130
top secret or some other

1653
01:12:26,590 --> 01:12:24,620
of that nature so his question is how

1654
01:12:28,570 --> 01:12:26,600
have you substantially overcome this

1655
01:12:30,820 --> 01:12:28,580
aspect of the black-eyed children-- saga

1656
01:12:33,310 --> 01:12:30,830
to the effect where you felt it merited

1657
01:12:35,130 --> 01:12:33,320
further investigation was this a hoax as

1658
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:35,140
the man who wrote the article stated or

1659
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:38,090
was that itself some sort of type of

1660
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:40,010
false communication and I would add or

1661
01:12:47,410 --> 01:12:43,970
are we seeing the emergence of a new

1662
01:12:49,420 --> 01:12:47,420
type of paranormal phenomenon Wow a lot

1663
01:12:51,940 --> 01:12:49,430
of questions within that let me see

1664
01:12:55,180 --> 01:12:51,950
that's about two shows right there so we

1665
01:12:56,890 --> 01:12:55,190
can take our time basically could this

1666
01:12:57,940 --> 01:12:56,900
have started out as a hoax and now has a

1667
01:13:00,760 --> 01:12:57,950
life of its own

1668
01:13:04,450 --> 01:13:00,770
I don't think the reason I don't think

1669
01:13:06,730 --> 01:13:04,460
so it's because going back to what I was

1670
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:06,740
talking about earlier in the show what I

1671
01:13:11,770 --> 01:13:09,710
do believe is that we're seeing a modern

1672
01:13:14,770 --> 01:13:11,780
manifestation of something that we've

1673
01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:14,780
seen before and it just so happens that

1674
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:17,870
it has taken the form of these you know

1675
01:13:21,670 --> 01:13:19,850
strange kids with the solid black eyes

1676
01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:21,680
that are showing up that people's homes

1677
01:13:29,290 --> 01:13:27,080
a lot of people's tend towards the idea

1678
01:13:31,090 --> 01:13:29,300
that this is a modern urban legend but

1679
01:13:33,370 --> 01:13:31,100
if you'd really you know I found

1680
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:33,380
evidence that says that it's not I'm not

1681
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:34,880
familiar with the story that he

1682
01:13:39,460 --> 01:13:37,490
references about a camping trip I I'm

1683
01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:39,470
I'm not sure maybe that was one of

1684
01:13:46,060 --> 01:13:42,470
Jason's accounts that he collected or

1685
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:46,070
Lon's but you know the earliest account

1686
01:13:49,870 --> 01:13:47,930
that usually is credited with starting

1687
01:13:52,330 --> 01:13:49,880
the sort of modern way but these things

1688
01:13:55,570 --> 01:13:52,340
it's a Brian Bethel Montana now I showed

1689
01:13:59,140 --> 01:13:55,580
up on the internet in 1998 and Bethel

1690
01:14:01,420 --> 01:13:59,150
was a journalist in Texas who went out

1691
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:01,430
one evening to to write a check and drop

1692
01:14:05,740 --> 01:14:03,650
it in a drop box at a shopping mall and

1693
01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:05,750
as he's sitting in his fire writing this

1694
01:14:11,140 --> 01:14:07,430
check these two kids approached his car

1695
01:14:13,780 --> 01:14:11,150
and he was kind of nervous initially and

1696
01:14:15,310 --> 01:14:13,790
and you know only roll his window down

1697
01:14:17,740 --> 01:14:15,320
just a little bit that's and what they

1698
01:14:20,590 --> 01:14:17,750
wanted and this interaction was just odd

1699
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:20,600
you know they were asking him or ride to

1700
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:22,730
their home so they could get money to

1701
01:14:26,530 --> 01:14:24,590
see a movie and Bethel had the

1702
01:14:28,270 --> 01:14:26,540
consciousness to work over the Marty and

1703
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:28,280
see that the movie they wanted to see

1704
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:30,410
was you know more than half over so

1705
01:14:33,790 --> 01:14:31,760
nothing was making sense about this

1706
01:14:34,890 --> 01:14:33,800
interaction and during the course of it

1707
01:14:37,410 --> 01:14:34,900
they made eye contact

1708
01:14:40,350 --> 01:14:37,420
with him and he realized oh my god these

1709
01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:40,360
kids have solid black eyes this is too

1710
01:14:44,189 --> 01:14:42,100
much it sort of pushed him over the edge

1711
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,199
and the flight response kicked in so he

1712
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:46,480
he pulled away and when he glances back

1713
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:48,130
these kids have been just nowhere to be

1714
01:14:52,740 --> 01:14:51,010
seen and that's sort of his typical of a

1715
01:14:54,660 --> 01:14:52,750
lot of these accounts that have come

1716
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:54,670
along of people experiencing these kids

1717
01:14:59,250 --> 01:14:57,280
and and they seem to vanish almost in

1718
01:15:02,550 --> 01:14:59,260
the blink of nine they always try to

1719
01:15:05,220 --> 01:15:02,560
elicit an invitation inside or in your

1720
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:05,230
vehicle or whatever it is so you know

1721
01:15:12,689 --> 01:15:09,610
Bethel's account in 98 initially caused

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01:15:14,850 --> 01:15:12,699
a few other responses to be posted on

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01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:14,860
the net you know people put out similar

1724
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:16,510
accounts that they had encountered these

1725
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,610
black-eyed beans and then we sort of see

1726
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:20,400
different waves of it come along

1727
01:15:25,220 --> 01:15:22,840
periodically I got interested in him

1728
01:15:27,570 --> 01:15:25,230
because I started meeting people who had

1729
01:15:30,450 --> 01:15:27,580
physically encountered these things and

1730
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:30,460
I was intrigued by the idea because when

1731
01:15:35,070 --> 01:15:32,290
you start looking at the accounts you'll

1732
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,080
find that these things have traits in

1733
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,360
common with a wide range of paranormal

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:39,520
phenomena you know when I read the book

1735
01:15:44,430 --> 01:15:42,250
I didn't try to convince anyone that any

1736
01:15:45,810 --> 01:15:44,440
particular theory was correct I just put

1737
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:45,820
all the accounts out there and the

1738
01:15:49,169 --> 01:15:47,110
evidence and said you know here it is

1739
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:49,179
judge for yourself you can correlate

1740
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:51,280
these things with alien hybrids you can

1741
01:15:55,260 --> 01:15:53,530
correlate them with manifestations and

1742
01:15:57,390 --> 01:15:55,270
feelings and a whole wide range of

1743
01:15:59,370 --> 01:15:57,400
things so we may be seeing something

1744
01:16:02,939 --> 01:15:59,380
that again is part of the human

1745
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:02,949
subconscious that people are you know

1746
01:16:06,990 --> 01:16:05,710
perceiving some type of entity you know

1747
01:16:09,810 --> 01:16:07,000
rosemary thinks these things are

1748
01:16:12,570 --> 01:16:09,820
manifestation of the Jim so you know we

1749
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:12,580
may be seen people perceive these things

1750
01:16:17,580 --> 01:16:14,530
has this new meaning of the black-eyed

1751
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:17,590
children-- but once again if you go back

1752
01:16:23,250 --> 01:16:20,650
historically you'll find various

1753
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:23,260
accounts of black-eyed beans okay we got

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01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:25,360
David Weatherly joining us so much more

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to talk about weird creatures black-eyed

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children-- and so much more and

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black-eyed children-- kind of voice was

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a black-eyed children-- as opposed to a

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black-eyed pea was a black-eyed

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children-- sound like it sounds like

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you're trying to channel yoda and give

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him a sore throat well ladies and

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this brings up another question by Wade

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Ridsdale and he questions the original

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Brian Bethel account that kind of took

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off on the internet and he wanders out

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loud here on forum dr. Peric ascom that

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you know he wanders has the internet and

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by extension the sharing of social media

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muddied the waters to a large extent

1878
01:22:05,950 --> 01:22:03,200
when it comes to attempting to get to

1879
01:22:08,590 --> 01:22:05,960
the bottom of some of these accounts the

1880
01:22:11,370 --> 01:22:08,600
short answer is absolutely and you know

1881
01:22:14,979 --> 01:22:11,380
the internet also I think contributes to

1882
01:22:16,780 --> 01:22:14,989
the sort of co-creation met and

1883
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:16,790
manifestation of some of these things I

1884
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:20,090
a perfect examples is the Slender Man I

1885
01:22:23,140 --> 01:22:21,290
don't know how much you guys know about

1886
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:23,150
that but I also cover that when you book

1887
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:24,770
and you know why'd you take a moment

1888
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:27,170
here and talk about Slender Man yeah

1889
01:22:31,420 --> 01:22:29,330
Wade was asking about Slender Man to the

1890
01:22:33,970 --> 01:22:31,430
first part of his question yeah sure and

1891
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:33,980
let me back up because right before the

1892
01:22:39,550 --> 01:22:36,290
break I wanted to throw in this this

1893
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:39,560
black-eyed bean thing you know they have

1894
01:22:44,979 --> 01:22:42,050
discovered a statue and go back to

1895
01:22:46,990 --> 01:22:44,989
Taipei in Turkey that they call the

1896
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:47,000
earth I man and I encourage you to go on

1897
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:48,410
Google in the image of this thing you've

1898
01:22:53,410 --> 01:22:50,210
never seen it before it's a humanoid

1899
01:22:56,020 --> 01:22:53,420
figure they made the eyes out of black

1900
01:22:58,030 --> 01:22:56,030
obsidian so this is you know a beingness

1901
01:23:00,490 --> 01:22:58,040
thousands of statue that's thousands of

1902
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:00,500
years old that depicts a black-eyed bean

1903
01:23:06,150 --> 01:23:03,410
so once again I think this is something

1904
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:06,160
that is passed down and gets

1905
01:23:11,709 --> 01:23:09,290
reinterpreted by you know through the

1906
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:11,719
the contemporary lens in different

1907
01:23:17,650 --> 01:23:14,690
periods of history so jumping over away

1908
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,660
from that and into Slenderman Slenderman

1909
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:20,000
wow this this is a weird topic

1910
01:23:25,900 --> 01:23:23,290
first of all Slenderman is an Internet

1911
01:23:28,030 --> 01:23:25,910
creation literally

1912
01:23:31,060 --> 01:23:28,040
happened was it was a forum called

1913
01:23:33,670 --> 01:23:31,070
something awful and someone posted this

1914
01:23:37,540 --> 01:23:33,680
contest idea on the something awful

1915
01:23:40,860 --> 01:23:37,550
forum and their idea was hey I always

1916
01:23:43,330 --> 01:23:40,870
like to make you know paranormal themed

1917
01:23:47,950 --> 01:23:43,340
photographs and different things and

1918
01:23:50,530 --> 01:23:47,960
post them for people to to look at and

1919
01:23:52,530 --> 01:23:50,540
you know promote them and he said you

1920
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:52,540
know what let's have a contest and

1921
01:23:58,960 --> 01:23:56,090
create something original that has a

1922
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:58,970
paranormal theme and make it go viral on

1923
01:24:03,970 --> 01:24:01,040
the Internet to convince people that

1924
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:03,980
it's real so when the contest started

1925
01:24:09,460 --> 01:24:06,050
you know various people were posting you

1926
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:09,470
know photoshopped cryptids and UFOs all

1927
01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:11,570
types of things well along comes this

1928
01:24:20,590 --> 01:24:16,600
guy who was a very subtle series of

1929
01:24:22,270 --> 01:24:20,600
images and and concepts and the idea was

1930
01:24:26,580 --> 01:24:22,280
that there was this being called the

1931
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:26,590
Slenderman now he's depicted as a human

1932
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:30,890
figure that's very tall incredibly thin

1933
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:33,890
using in a dark suit as virtually no

1934
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:36,800
face that is discernible and these

1935
01:24:43,690 --> 01:24:40,400
incredibly long arms and sometimes he's

1936
01:24:47,470 --> 01:24:43,700
depicted with multiple arms and he

1937
01:24:49,450 --> 01:24:47,480
started being tied to disappearances he

1938
01:24:52,570 --> 01:24:49,460
was tied to a strange fire that occurred

1939
01:24:55,390 --> 01:24:52,580
at a school the subtlety of this thing I

1940
01:24:58,750 --> 01:24:55,400
think is what really empowered it you

1941
01:25:01,600 --> 01:24:58,760
know it became a sort of modern internet

1942
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:01,610
interpretation of the boogeyman the

1943
01:25:06,910 --> 01:25:03,770
creature that looks in the closet

1944
01:25:09,490 --> 01:25:06,920
waiting to snatch children and it caught

1945
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:09,500
people's attention so much that the

1946
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:12,890
entire thread on the forum became just

1947
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:15,290
devoted to the Slender Man and has this

1948
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:17,840
thing developed further other people

1949
01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:20,000
added to the mythos you know people

1950
01:25:26,050 --> 01:25:22,460
started posting someone posted a series

1951
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:26,060
of block prints you know from woodcuts

1952
01:25:31,900 --> 01:25:29,210
that depicted medieval scenes of this

1953
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:31,910
weird multi-armed figure they said oh

1954
01:25:36,190 --> 01:25:34,010
here's the Slender Man has been around

1955
01:25:37,649 --> 01:25:36,200
since you know the medieval period in

1956
01:25:40,350 --> 01:25:37,659
Germany

1957
01:25:42,060 --> 01:25:40,360
you know here he is in the 1940s so

1958
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:42,070
people started adding all of this

1959
01:25:48,299 --> 01:25:45,130
historical context to this image into

1960
01:25:50,489 --> 01:25:48,309
this this concept then along came a

1961
01:25:53,819 --> 01:25:50,499
video series called Marble Hornets

1962
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:53,829
Marble Hornets was sort of the was in

1963
01:25:57,870 --> 01:25:55,840
the style of you know what the

1964
01:26:01,020 --> 01:25:57,880
found-footage Blair Witch type of thing

1965
01:26:04,979 --> 01:26:01,030
and it was this storyline that revolved

1966
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:04,989
around a student film being made and the

1967
01:26:10,290 --> 01:26:07,840
film suddenly gets stopped you know the

1968
01:26:12,839 --> 01:26:10,300
production stops and the director acts

1969
01:26:14,969 --> 01:26:12,849
very bizarre and the person who's doing

1970
01:26:17,069 --> 01:26:14,979
Marble Hornets has this interaction with

1971
01:26:18,899 --> 01:26:17,079
him and and finds out there's this weird

1972
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:18,909
figure that the director is terrified of

1973
01:26:24,959 --> 01:26:21,489
and that guy eventually disappears so

1974
01:26:27,989 --> 01:26:24,969
look at all these threads contributing

1975
01:26:30,449 --> 01:26:27,999
to really the whole mythology of the

1976
01:26:32,659 --> 01:26:30,459
Slender Man but then some very curious

1977
01:26:36,359 --> 01:26:32,669
things started happening because people

1978
01:26:38,609 --> 01:26:36,369
started reporting Slender Man encounters

1979
01:26:40,919 --> 01:26:38,619
independently of this whole thread in

1980
01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:40,929
fact Coase because they a.m. one night

1981
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:42,760
received this frantic call from someone

1982
01:26:47,459 --> 01:26:45,130
who had had this bizarre encounter with

1983
01:26:49,229 --> 01:26:47,469
the Son of Man and periodically they've

1984
01:26:51,569 --> 01:26:49,239
had other listeners call in and say you

1985
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:51,579
know I've experienced the Slender Man so

1986
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:54,880
you know it's is very fascinating to

1987
01:26:58,560 --> 01:26:56,110
look at the history of this thing

1988
01:27:02,179 --> 01:26:58,570
because we have an incredible clear

1989
01:27:05,339 --> 01:27:02,189
timeline of the creation of this being

1990
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:05,349
yet on the other hand we have people who

1991
01:27:10,679 --> 01:27:08,320
are definitely convinced that they have

1992
01:27:13,649 --> 01:27:10,689
physically encountered this thing so

1993
01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:13,659
it's a really bizarre interaction

1994
01:27:20,580 --> 01:27:16,860
between a developing Internet mythos and

1995
01:27:23,339 --> 01:27:20,590
you know some kind of again some

1996
01:27:25,709 --> 01:27:23,349
subconscious fear or image that people

1997
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:25,719
have right renamed in the boogeyman well

1998
01:27:30,779 --> 01:27:27,610
the same thing is kind of occurring with

1999
01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:30,789
the the Northampton clown oh yeah

2000
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:32,590
perhaps we're gonna be seeing these

2001
01:27:37,709 --> 01:27:35,530
these sinister clowns appearing around

2002
01:27:40,109 --> 01:27:37,719
scaring little kids and moms and

2003
01:27:43,229 --> 01:27:40,119
grandmas and stuff and uh and then

2004
01:27:45,419 --> 01:27:43,239
setting up websites well it's already a

2005
01:27:50,069 --> 01:27:45,429
website for the Northampton want a point

2006
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:50,079
exactly so yeah it's a really a it's a

2007
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:51,250
very curious thing

2008
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:54,120
people are again tying these things into

2009
01:28:00,360 --> 01:27:57,730
you know other types of manifestations

2010
01:28:02,130 --> 01:28:00,370
as gentleman named Robert Robin this

2011
01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:02,140
week we wrote a a whole book on the

2012
01:28:06,150 --> 01:28:03,940
Slender Man and he draws a lot of

2013
01:28:09,300 --> 01:28:06,160
correlations between the Slenderman

2014
01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:09,310
Slenderman mythos and encounters with

2015
01:28:13,950 --> 01:28:11,350
the gray element you know these these

2016
01:28:16,380 --> 01:28:13,960
sort of lanky figures with long arms

2017
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:16,390
that cause paralysis and so forth so

2018
01:28:23,970 --> 01:28:20,400
again we may be seen some type of modern

2019
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:23,980
reinterpretation of classical image or

2020
01:28:28,530 --> 01:28:26,560
you know energy that is just around us

2021
01:28:31,370 --> 01:28:28,540
and you know to get back to that

2022
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:31,380
original question yeah the Internet is

2023
01:28:36,330 --> 01:28:34,330
you know again it's like all the big lot

2024
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:36,340
of paranormal shows it's a blessing and

2025
01:28:40,770 --> 01:28:38,770
a curse at the same time because you

2026
01:28:44,370 --> 01:28:40,780
know you can tap up your words in Google

2027
01:28:46,860 --> 01:28:44,380
one just get a wide range of leads for

2028
01:28:48,810 --> 01:28:46,870
research and so forth but then my god

2029
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:48,820
the amount of stuff that's supposed to

2030
01:28:53,490 --> 01:28:50,890
go on there you know on the net in

2031
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:53,500
general is just overwhelming at the same

2032
01:28:59,550 --> 01:28:56,370
time and obviously a lot of it is just

2033
01:29:02,130 --> 01:28:59,560
virtually impossible to chase down or

2034
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:02,140
follow up on and you know it within the

2035
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:04,810
paranormal field it's led to countless

2036
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:07,690
reports that are anonymous and you know

2037
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:10,000
the locations not even existed and it

2038
01:29:13,980 --> 01:29:12,010
might sound intriguing but if you have

2039
01:29:16,620 --> 01:29:13,990
no way to really pursue it or follow up

2040
01:29:19,020 --> 01:29:16,630
on it and it's very difficult to test

2041
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:19,030
the veracity of it in any way but that

2042
01:29:23,790 --> 01:29:21,610
also goes to setting you to wondering

2043
01:29:26,610 --> 01:29:23,800
there are these things just created by

2044
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:26,620
people having fun at our expense or is

2045
01:29:31,050 --> 01:29:28,690
there some reality behind this that

2046
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:31,060
maybe someone out there is generating

2047
01:29:36,090 --> 01:29:33,760
these images for a more sinister or

2048
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,100
higher purpose yeah that's a great

2049
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:38,560
question and and is I can't be a wacky

2050
01:29:42,210 --> 01:29:40,090
question but you get my point

2051
01:29:44,910 --> 01:29:42,220
yeah I get your point I mean for me

2052
01:29:48,630 --> 01:29:44,920
personally you know when I research

2053
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:48,640
these things I try my best to you know

2054
01:29:53,250 --> 01:29:50,890
actually sit down and interview the

2055
01:29:54,810 --> 01:29:53,260
people and you know multiple times and

2056
01:29:56,340 --> 01:29:54,820
really get a sense of you know where

2057
01:29:58,350 --> 01:29:56,350
they're coming from and what they're

2058
01:29:59,640 --> 01:29:58,360
doing I think you know once you're once

2059
01:30:01,170 --> 01:29:59,650
you're sort of a seasoned investigator

2060
01:30:03,780 --> 01:30:01,180
and I'm sure Chris has had this

2061
01:30:04,620 --> 01:30:03,790
experience - it's it becomes a lot

2062
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:04,630
easier

2063
01:30:09,689 --> 01:30:07,810
base-level to know what the motivation

2064
01:30:11,459 --> 01:30:09,699
is that someone has for presenting their

2065
01:30:14,010 --> 01:30:11,469
account you know and there's a lot of

2066
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:14,020
red flags that easily come up within

2067
01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:16,960
yeah you know this spectrum of things I

2068
01:30:20,879 --> 01:30:19,540
mean one a great example of that is you

2069
01:30:23,459 --> 01:30:20,889
know a lot of times if I get called

2070
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:23,469
about a location that's haunted or you

2071
01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:25,690
know reported apparitions if David

2072
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:27,580
Weatherly joining us with Jean and Chris

2073
01:30:44,670 --> 01:30:41,460
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2077
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2078
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2079
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2080
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2081
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2082
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2083
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2091
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2092
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2093
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early part of my tenth decade I want to

2155
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discuss the issue of pharmaceuticals

2156
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versus minerals and vitamin supplements

2157
01:34:05,190 --> 01:34:02,800
I remember a discussion between my

2158
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mother and me it was at that time that

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canned vegetables and fruits were

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introduced into the US market it was

2161
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:12,310
some time for my mother and others felt

2162
01:34:17,460 --> 01:34:15,250
comfortable with food in cans that was

2163
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:17,470
also the time when drugstores offered

2164
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for sale cough syrup and aspirins and

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not much else let's fast-forward to this

2166
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:24,760
decade to here and now simple drug

2167
01:34:29,460 --> 01:34:27,280
stores are large corporations with the

2168
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:29,470
message that they are the ones who have

2169
01:34:33,810 --> 01:34:31,600
the power to cure human ill

2170
01:34:36,090 --> 01:34:33,820
meanwhile the battle continues with

2171
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:36,100
minerals and vitamins being the answer

2172
01:34:40,890 --> 01:34:38,800
to human ills who will win the battle I

2173
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:40,900
believe in hope it will be the belief in

2174
01:34:45,630 --> 01:34:43,210
the power of vitamins and minerals over

2175
01:34:48,150 --> 01:34:45,640
that of the toxic chemicals in

2176
01:34:52,460 --> 01:34:48,160
prescription drugs what do you think

2177
01:34:57,870 --> 01:34:56,280
this is the wrong tire colossal on cycle

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01:35:00,660 --> 01:34:57,880
feeding other books when you're

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[Music]

2180
01:35:14,810 --> 01:35:12,270
so david Weatherly gets called up about

2181
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:14,820
possible hauntings but is it something

2182
01:35:20,660 --> 01:35:18,000
war david Weatherly is author of a book

2183
01:35:22,610 --> 01:35:20,670
called strange intruders his most recent

2184
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:22,620
title joining jean and chris and the

2185
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,210
pair cast you wanted to pick up further

2186
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:26,880
on that question David sure you know as

2187
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:29,489
far as red flags when you sit down and

2188
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:33,449
start examining a case the popularity of

2189
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:35,130
the ghost hunting shows true and since I

2190
01:35:43,490 --> 01:35:38,690
find that a lot of the times if it's a a

2191
01:35:48,340 --> 01:35:43,500
situation that is either not on the

2192
01:35:50,450 --> 01:35:48,350
up-and-up or it's it's you know really

2193
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:50,460
stretched in point that okay you've

2194
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:51,810
heard a couple noises why are you

2195
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:53,760
convinced that this is you know it goes

2196
01:35:58,939 --> 01:35:55,920
to someone a lot of times these people

2197
01:36:01,550 --> 01:35:58,949
you know within a short time into the

2198
01:36:03,919 --> 01:36:01,560
conversation the question inevitably

2199
01:36:06,830 --> 01:36:03,929
arise D do you think this would get on

2200
01:36:09,020 --> 01:36:06,840
Ghost Adventures do you think those guys

2201
01:36:11,630 --> 01:36:09,030
would come and investigate them should

2202
01:36:14,450 --> 01:36:11,640
we get taps in here it could be

2203
01:36:16,220 --> 01:36:14,460
situations you know where it is people

2204
01:36:18,260 --> 01:36:16,230
they really are just looking for their

2205
01:36:21,229 --> 01:36:18,270
15 minutes of fame they're thinking hey

2206
01:36:23,180 --> 01:36:21,239
this is a great way to help this along

2207
01:36:25,070 --> 01:36:23,190
and help it happen i I have a friend of

2208
01:36:29,450 --> 01:36:25,080
mine who actually has a ghost hunting

2209
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:29,460
team and about once every two or three

2210
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:31,920
months he'll get called in and his team

2211
01:36:36,169 --> 01:36:33,810
will go in and when they show up at the

2212
01:36:38,750 --> 01:36:36,179
purported haunted location it'll be a

2213
01:36:40,130 --> 01:36:38,760
party going on and and it's you know the

2214
01:36:41,780 --> 01:36:40,140
housewife has invited all her friends

2215
01:36:42,919 --> 01:36:41,790
over to watch the ghosts on her you know

2216
01:36:45,740 --> 01:36:42,929
walking around the house and collect

2217
01:36:48,290 --> 01:36:45,750
evidence and yeah this is usually people

2218
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:48,300
that are just they're looking for

2219
01:36:52,370 --> 01:36:50,850
attention or they're looking for their

2220
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:52,380
you know their moment in the spotlight

2221
01:36:56,900 --> 01:36:55,110
and so forth you know I still find for

2222
01:36:59,000 --> 01:36:56,910
the most part that a lot of the most

2223
01:37:00,740 --> 01:36:59,010
intriguing cases are the ones you really

2224
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:00,750
have to dig for they had to get out into

2225
01:37:08,270 --> 01:37:02,730
the communities and interact with people

2226
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,280
and talk and sort of dig for the really

2227
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:11,040
good juice stuff the the best ones are

2228
01:37:15,860 --> 01:37:12,449
the ones that you hear about from

2229
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:15,870
relatives neighbors who say this person

2230
01:37:18,440 --> 01:37:16,560
you're the last

2231
01:37:20,570 --> 01:37:18,450
than they would ever contact but I think

2232
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:20,580
you should know about this and somehow

2233
01:37:24,590 --> 01:37:22,890
get this story from this person and then

2234
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:24,600
you start digging you start working on

2235
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:24,930
them

2236
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:27,450
I've worked years literally to get

2237
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:29,570
people to fess up on really

2238
01:37:34,940 --> 01:37:32,010
sensationally sounding cases that

2239
01:37:37,100 --> 01:37:34,950
deserve attention oh yeah this the same

2240
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:37,110
with me and you know it's a it's sort of

2241
01:37:40,370 --> 01:37:38,880
second nature to me because you know

2242
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:40,380
when again when I started in the field

2243
01:37:43,790 --> 01:37:42,210
you just didn't walk up to someone and

2244
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:43,800
say hey is anybody around here seeing a

2245
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:46,290
UFO you know they would they would have

2246
01:37:52,010 --> 01:37:49,050
you locked up or ignore you but you know

2247
01:37:53,420 --> 01:37:52,020
you had to find a way to relate to the

2248
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:53,430
community into the area that you were

2249
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:55,530
investigating in and you know like

2250
01:37:59,480 --> 01:37:56,880
you're saying Christian that you hear

2251
01:38:00,800 --> 01:37:59,490
from relatives or friends of friends and

2252
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:00,810
you know you just follow those

2253
01:38:06,140 --> 01:38:03,360
breadcrumbs until you get to the real

2254
01:38:08,570 --> 01:38:06,150
core of something to find out you know

2255
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:08,580
exactly what transpired exactly what's

2256
01:38:13,670 --> 01:38:11,250
going on and then sometimes I said and

2257
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:13,680
sometimes it's a real you know I don't

2258
01:38:19,190 --> 01:38:16,410
but my favorite technique is to to call

2259
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:19,200
them up cold and say hey I'm you know

2260
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:20,490
Christopher O'Brien I don't know if

2261
01:38:23,330 --> 01:38:21,690
you've heard of me but I've you know

2262
01:38:26,270 --> 01:38:23,340
been investigating some pretty strange

2263
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,280
things around you know in this case the

2264
01:38:29,870 --> 01:38:28,560
San Luis Valley and so-and-so mentioned

2265
01:38:32,330 --> 01:38:29,880
that I should give you a call and

2266
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:32,340
introduce myself so you know I figured

2267
01:38:36,110 --> 01:38:33,810
I'd uh give you a call

2268
01:38:38,660 --> 01:38:36,120
good talking to you and then I all hang

2269
01:38:40,370 --> 01:38:38,670
up and then I'll call back and say hey

2270
01:38:42,050 --> 01:38:40,380
it's Chris again you know how you know I

2271
01:38:44,570 --> 01:38:42,060
hear your son's basketball team's doing

2272
01:38:46,010 --> 01:38:44,580
really good or you know what do you

2273
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:46,020
think of the price of hey and I'll hang

2274
01:38:51,290 --> 01:38:48,810
up you know do this every you know every

2275
01:38:53,450 --> 01:38:51,300
month or two I'll call up and finally

2276
01:38:56,270 --> 01:38:53,460
they just they you know they just break

2277
01:38:59,090 --> 01:38:56,280
down you never ask them what you want to

2278
01:39:02,270 --> 01:38:59,100
know about and invariably at some point

2279
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:02,280
they will break them yeah yeah you know

2280
01:39:08,450 --> 01:39:05,130
you go into some of these little you

2281
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:08,460
know smaller communities and towns these

2282
01:39:12,050 --> 01:39:10,170
people just aren't gonna automatically

2283
01:39:14,170 --> 01:39:12,060
open up and start talking to a complete

2284
01:39:16,730 --> 01:39:14,180
stranger you have to build some kind of

2285
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:16,740
you know connection and rapport with

2286
01:39:20,210 --> 01:39:18,210
them you know whether it's on a casual

2287
01:39:22,090 --> 01:39:20,220
basis or or whether you know what you're

2288
01:39:24,890 --> 01:39:22,100
talking about to slightly

2289
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:24,900
you know unsettled them just on the

2290
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:26,730
subtle level and and you know get them

2291
01:39:29,330 --> 01:39:28,800
used to the idea of communicating with

2292
01:39:32,359 --> 01:39:29,340
you it

2293
01:39:34,430 --> 01:39:32,369
and like you uh like you find out is

2294
01:39:37,010 --> 01:39:34,440
where this stuff going comes in well

2295
01:39:38,270 --> 01:39:37,020
especially up your local and and they

2296
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:38,280
can call you because they know that

2297
01:39:42,649 --> 01:39:40,800
you're you're a local phone call away we

2298
01:39:45,770 --> 01:39:42,659
have some other questions here's one

2299
01:39:47,899 --> 01:39:45,780
from a first time poster at forum dr

2300
01:39:50,270 --> 01:39:47,909
parra cast calm he calls himself techno

2301
01:39:51,979 --> 01:39:50,280
mag mag I think it's magnet I'm not sure

2302
01:39:54,589 --> 01:39:51,989
you know and this is a question that I

2303
01:39:56,359 --> 01:39:54,599
also have why do you believe the number

2304
01:39:59,149 --> 01:39:56,369
of incidents of black-eyed children are

2305
01:40:02,000 --> 01:39:59,159
increasing and you know of any other

2306
01:40:04,580 --> 01:40:02,010
paranormal phenomena or a phenomenon

2307
01:40:07,580 --> 01:40:04,590
that is increasing at the same rate sure

2308
01:40:11,060 --> 01:40:07,590
well the jinn you know the the number of

2309
01:40:12,919 --> 01:40:11,070
accounts related to that as has grown at

2310
01:40:14,780 --> 01:40:12,929
a pretty rapid pace the black-eyed

2311
01:40:17,570 --> 01:40:14,790
children then and black eyed adult

2312
01:40:20,930 --> 01:40:17,580
encounters have really taken off in the

2313
01:40:24,260 --> 01:40:20,940
last Oh probably the last five years now

2314
01:40:27,229 --> 01:40:24,270
a lot of those accounts that are

2315
01:40:28,910 --> 01:40:27,239
servicing they're actually not recent no

2316
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:28,920
I I get these things almost on a daily

2317
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:31,199
basis and I know several other

2318
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:33,119
investigators that track them too they

2319
01:40:35,810 --> 01:40:34,770
did accounts on a daily basis and

2320
01:40:38,780 --> 01:40:35,820
they're they're hearing different ones

2321
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:38,790
than what I do so there really are a

2322
01:40:44,570 --> 01:40:41,250
large number of these things servicing a

2323
01:40:48,109 --> 01:40:44,580
percentage of them are always hey you

2324
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:48,119
know I I just heard you on a podcast and

2325
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:50,130
you know I experienced something like

2326
01:40:56,330 --> 01:40:53,040
that eight years ago you know five years

2327
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,340
ago ten years ago so it's um it's

2328
01:41:01,790 --> 01:40:59,040
partially that people are suddenly

2329
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:01,800
suddenly identifying what they

2330
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:04,610
experienced within the context of these

2331
01:41:10,430 --> 01:41:07,920
more contemporary encounters I think

2332
01:41:12,820 --> 01:41:10,440
that once again we have to credit the

2333
01:41:15,229 --> 01:41:12,830
internet you know the the rate at which

2334
01:41:17,660 --> 01:41:15,239
anything related to the paranormal

2335
01:41:19,970 --> 01:41:17,670
spreads like wildfire you know through

2336
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:19,980
all the social media and so forth

2337
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:22,800
I think which is just a lot of people

2338
01:41:29,810 --> 01:41:26,250
and we also have to attribute it once

2339
01:41:32,209 --> 01:41:29,820
again to the way that all of these

2340
01:41:34,129 --> 01:41:32,219
topics have become so mainstream you

2341
01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:34,139
know any given night you can turn on on

2342
01:41:37,609 --> 01:41:35,820
the television to find a show that the

2343
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:37,619
else is some kind of weird phenomena so

2344
01:41:43,339 --> 01:41:40,560
you know people are there's there's more

2345
01:41:45,869 --> 01:41:43,349
and more people watching and

2346
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:45,879
listening and you know relating their

2347
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:49,840
own experiences good point and I think

2348
01:41:54,330 --> 01:41:52,449
that the more people get comfortable

2349
01:41:56,819 --> 01:41:54,340
with discussing these types of things it

2350
01:41:59,489 --> 01:41:56,829
is going to have the effect of flushing

2351
01:42:00,929 --> 01:41:59,499
personal experiences out I think and

2352
01:42:02,879 --> 01:42:00,939
we're seeing we're seeing more of a

2353
01:42:04,649 --> 01:42:02,889
cultural acceptance of these subjects

2354
01:42:07,709 --> 01:42:04,659
and I think that that is allowing people

2355
01:42:09,899 --> 01:42:07,719
the you know the the comfort ability

2356
01:42:11,580 --> 01:42:09,909
factor the lack of a better term to

2357
01:42:13,919 --> 01:42:11,590
actually come forward to people like

2358
01:42:15,779 --> 01:42:13,929
yourself and other investigators here's

2359
01:42:18,389 --> 01:42:15,789
one here's a question from poll tourist

2360
01:42:22,259 --> 01:42:18,399
who's one of our just passed the 500

2361
01:42:23,580 --> 01:42:22,269
post mark at forum dr. Peric ascom of

2362
01:42:27,319 --> 01:42:23,590
course we have to think whether we

2363
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:29,399
we have people who posted over a

2364
01:42:33,839 --> 01:42:32,249
thousand messages or even four or 5,000

2365
01:42:35,279 --> 01:42:33,849
it's true

2366
01:42:36,989 --> 01:42:35,289
well poll tours has been around for

2367
01:42:40,049 --> 01:42:36,999
about a year and a half and he's he's

2368
01:42:42,419 --> 01:42:40,059
very active but he doesn't post as often

2369
01:42:45,330 --> 01:42:42,429
to some people but I pay attention when

2370
01:42:48,209 --> 01:42:45,340
he does post he has a couple of

2371
01:42:51,359 --> 01:42:48,219
questions here and he's a little bit I

2372
01:42:54,509 --> 01:42:51,369
think he's a little

2373
01:42:57,659 --> 01:42:54,519
what would the word be he's not sure if

2374
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:57,669
a lot of these modern sort of in as in

2375
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:00,159
vogue as he puts it paranoia

2376
01:43:06,209 --> 01:43:04,239
paranormal phenomena are real legitimate

2377
01:43:08,069 --> 01:43:06,219
like he says the Gen Slenderman and

2378
01:43:12,209 --> 01:43:08,079
black-eyed children-- he says these are

2379
01:43:14,069 --> 01:43:12,219
more modern sort of urban myth type you

2380
01:43:18,060 --> 01:43:14,079
know manifestations of the of the

2381
01:43:20,279 --> 01:43:18,070
unexplained but he says that because of

2382
01:43:21,689 --> 01:43:20,289
his own experiences he does think

2383
01:43:24,209 --> 01:43:21,699
something like dis incarnate

2384
01:43:26,819 --> 01:43:24,219
consciousness is quite possible and he

2385
01:43:30,409 --> 01:43:26,829
wonders could it be that this is what is

2386
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:30,419
that the root of these mythologies oh

2387
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:35,489
sure absolutely and you know I would I

2388
01:43:40,889 --> 01:43:38,530
would jump in and add in that you know

2389
01:43:43,469 --> 01:43:40,899
this the Slender Man yes is very modern

2390
01:43:46,679 --> 01:43:43,479
but you know there's certainly a lot of

2391
01:43:48,810 --> 01:43:46,689
historical basis for the jinn and you

2392
01:43:51,959 --> 01:43:48,820
know even black eyed beans as to destroy

2393
01:43:54,810 --> 01:43:51,969
that more but you know his idea that

2394
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:54,820
this is you know due to some kind of

2395
01:44:01,400 --> 01:43:56,489
disc or net energy

2396
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:01,410
it's certainly possible but you know it

2397
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:03,330
also sort of plays in for instance with

2398
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:05,489
the mythology of the gym that these are

2399
01:44:10,700 --> 01:44:08,130
some type of entities or consciousness

2400
01:44:14,420 --> 01:44:10,710
that are able to assume a wide range of

2401
01:44:17,330 --> 01:44:14,430
forms so you know if something is in an

2402
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:17,340
energetic form trying to get to you it's

2403
01:44:23,690 --> 01:44:20,330
probably going to utilize whatever works

2404
01:44:26,420 --> 01:44:23,700
within your cultural concepts to you

2405
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:26,430
know trigger fear or response or

2406
01:44:30,830 --> 01:44:28,890
whatever is trying to initiate and you

2407
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:30,840
know taking off on that a little bit we

2408
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:34,050
also have to start to question where is

2409
01:44:39,110 --> 01:44:35,850
the line that we start to co-create

2410
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:39,120
these experiences with our own energy

2411
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:42,450
and our own mental attention week we

2412
01:44:46,729 --> 01:44:43,920
start to get into the range of the

2413
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culprit which is actually the topic of

2414
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the book I'm working on now and you know

2415
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:51,750
we have to begin to question okay what

2416
01:44:56,570 --> 01:44:54,690
you know how are we creating this

2417
01:44:58,940 --> 01:44:56,580
experience is it coming from completely

2418
01:45:02,840 --> 01:44:58,950
within us or we interacting with some

2419
01:45:04,729 --> 01:45:02,850
type of energetic augustness well he

2420
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also has a follow-up question which i

2421
01:45:08,570 --> 01:45:06,900
think is a good one and it kind of sort

2422
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of hits it will where we're discussing

2423
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here it will have a follow-up question

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2453
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2454
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2486
01:47:54,209 --> 01:47:49,909
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2487
01:47:58,250 --> 01:47:54,219
standard of paranormal radio and now

2488
01:48:01,410 --> 01:47:58,260
here's Jane Steinberg

2489
01:48:05,700 --> 01:48:01,420
[Music]

2490
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:05,710
we have Christopher Jin O'Brien

2491
01:48:10,750 --> 01:48:08,960
joining us on the show here in place of

2492
01:48:13,060 --> 01:48:10,760
the usual Christopher O'Brien I think

2493
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:13,070
he's been possessed well I'm just trying

2494
01:48:16,180 --> 01:48:14,719
to come up with new and different ways I

2495
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:16,190
mean this is the kind of show that I'm

2496
01:48:22,060 --> 01:48:19,370
gonna do a bunch of different kinds of

2497
01:48:22,530 --> 01:48:22,070
bumpers okay well before we get bumped

2498
01:48:25,300 --> 01:48:22,540
off

2499
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:25,310
David Weatherly joins us Chris was gonna

2500
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:27,170
ask a follow-up question from one of our

2501
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:29,360
listeners Chris the original question

2502
01:48:34,090 --> 01:48:31,280
was from one of our more skeptical

2503
01:48:36,700 --> 01:48:34,100
posters at forum dr. Perik asked calm

2504
01:48:39,340 --> 01:48:36,710
and a follow-up question that he had is

2505
01:48:41,979 --> 01:48:39,350
what might be the ratio of pure

2506
01:48:44,700 --> 01:48:41,989
storytelling or confabulation to real

2507
01:48:46,780 --> 01:48:44,710
phenomenon and I might add

2508
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:46,790
misinterpretation of some natural

2509
01:48:50,500 --> 01:48:49,040
explainable thing you know it's really

2510
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:50,510
hard to put a percentage on that I mean

2511
01:48:55,149 --> 01:48:52,730
you have to look at any individual case

2512
01:48:57,100 --> 01:48:55,159
or account I think to start to delve

2513
01:49:00,280 --> 01:48:57,110
into that there's certainly a percentage

2514
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,290
of it I I tend more towards what you

2515
01:49:05,410 --> 01:49:02,480
added in Christian a mistaken identity

2516
01:49:08,140 --> 01:49:05,420
or a mistaken perception of particular

2517
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:08,150
events I the skeptics would have us

2518
01:49:12,100 --> 01:49:10,239
believe that they're literally you know

2519
01:49:13,629 --> 01:49:12,110
thousands upon thousands of people

2520
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:13,639
running around spending their time

2521
01:49:19,629 --> 01:49:16,730
trying to you know perpetrating a hoax

2522
01:49:22,689 --> 01:49:19,639
on on paranormal investigators and I I

2523
01:49:24,399 --> 01:49:22,699
just don't think it's that dominant in

2524
01:49:27,550 --> 01:49:24,409
the field there certainly is a

2525
01:49:29,379 --> 01:49:27,560
percentage of that but you know it's not

2526
01:49:32,500 --> 01:49:29,389
to the extremes that some people would

2527
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:32,510
have us for you I think that also the

2528
01:49:39,149 --> 01:49:36,290
quality of the investigator and the

2529
01:49:43,660 --> 01:49:39,159
amount of publicity that they generate

2530
01:49:46,450 --> 01:49:43,670
tends to attract more cases that are

2531
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:46,460
questionable if their thinking is muddy

2532
01:49:50,590 --> 01:49:48,320
or their or their conclusions are

2533
01:49:52,540 --> 01:49:50,600
sensational I think those types of

2534
01:49:55,110 --> 01:49:52,550
investigators tend to attract those

2535
01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:55,120
kinds of cases that are equivocal and

2536
01:49:59,260 --> 01:49:58,010
you know sensational sounding I think

2537
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:59,270
the more serious investing

2538
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:01,280
don't go around trying to create a cult

2539
01:50:06,820 --> 01:50:03,650
of personality and and and tend to be

2540
01:50:08,500 --> 01:50:06,830
open-minded but skeptical they tend to

2541
01:50:09,970 --> 01:50:08,510
attract the better quality cases I don't

2542
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:09,980
know if you've noticed that but I sure

2543
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:13,730
have yeah definitely definitely and you

2544
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:15,530
know there's there's so many people in

2545
01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:18,800
this field let's let's face it you know

2546
01:50:23,740 --> 01:50:21,110
the shows have led to this concept that

2547
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:23,750
anybody can go out and buy a camera and

2548
01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:26,000
a digital recorder and and you know get

2549
01:50:28,810 --> 01:50:28,490
team t-shirts printed in and they're you

2550
01:50:31,300 --> 01:50:28,820
know

2551
01:50:34,690 --> 01:50:31,310
expert goes something if Jason and I can

2552
01:50:38,250 --> 01:50:34,700
do it so can i well yeah and you know

2553
01:50:40,630 --> 01:50:38,260
it's led to some pretty infuriating

2554
01:50:43,780 --> 01:50:40,640
situations I think and there there are

2555
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:43,790
even worse expressions to that you know

2556
01:50:49,810 --> 01:50:45,290
it's talking to someone just recently

2557
01:50:51,670 --> 01:50:49,820
about this this quote case that I dealt

2558
01:50:53,710 --> 01:50:51,680
with I got a call from a woman who was

2559
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:53,720
you know referred to me by someone and

2560
01:50:57,670 --> 01:50:55,130
this woman called me Chris she was

2561
01:51:01,780 --> 01:50:57,680
completely distraught she said I mean my

2562
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:01,790
house is infested by demon and I thought

2563
01:51:05,380 --> 01:51:03,770
oh well you know here we go and as I

2564
01:51:06,910 --> 01:51:05,390
started to talk with this woman she was

2565
01:51:08,830 --> 01:51:06,920
very genuine

2566
01:51:10,330 --> 01:51:08,840
she was just in in the terrible

2567
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:10,340
emotional state she was living in a home

2568
01:51:14,500 --> 01:51:13,250
shed children and I said why you know

2569
01:51:17,410 --> 01:51:14,510
why do you believe it well the

2570
01:51:20,070 --> 01:51:17,420
paranormal team came in okay here we go

2571
01:51:22,090 --> 01:51:20,080
so this paranormal team came in and

2572
01:51:23,740 --> 01:51:22,100
investigated because she thought you

2573
01:51:24,910 --> 01:51:23,750
know it was an old house and there were

2574
01:51:27,250 --> 01:51:24,920
a couple of strange things that had

2575
01:51:30,010 --> 01:51:27,260
happened so they came in and they did

2576
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:30,020
their investigation and they ended up

2577
01:51:36,250 --> 01:51:33,530
showing her you know the quote evidence

2578
01:51:38,230 --> 01:51:36,260
and terrified this woman they said yo

2579
01:51:40,030 --> 01:51:38,240
your house is you know demonically

2580
01:51:42,730 --> 01:51:40,040
infested in here here's the evidence

2581
01:51:44,140 --> 01:51:42,740
we've got this EVP recorded you know you

2582
01:51:46,210 --> 01:51:44,150
hear this noise and they played this

2583
01:51:49,660 --> 01:51:46,220
noise word I listened to it recording

2584
01:51:51,970 --> 01:51:49,670
and so this noise is this is the demons

2585
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:51,980
extraction after portal and of trying to

2586
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:53,810
get in and now here's the other evidence

2587
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,090
in your child's room if you look closely

2588
01:52:00,670 --> 01:51:58,400
at the wall you'll see the number 666

2589
01:52:03,130 --> 01:52:00,680
has started to manifest on the wallowing

2590
01:52:05,050 --> 01:52:03,140
in red so you know a couple of

2591
01:52:07,660 --> 01:52:05,060
conversations with this woman and I went

2592
01:52:11,050 --> 01:52:07,670
to the house and I started looking

2593
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:11,060
around and I didn't go in there looking

2594
01:52:15,319 --> 01:52:12,449
for demons I

2595
01:52:16,759 --> 01:52:15,329
in there to see okay what is being

2596
01:52:18,500 --> 01:52:16,769
experienced what's the evidence showing

2597
01:52:20,779 --> 01:52:18,510
what's really happening here

2598
01:52:23,299 --> 01:52:20,789
this woman's emotional reaction side and

2599
01:52:25,129 --> 01:52:23,309
so forth so the long and short of it is

2600
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:25,139
is that you know I went in her child's

2601
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:28,320
bedroom and I saw this quote 666 on the

2602
01:52:32,660 --> 01:52:30,449
wall and I looked a bit more closely

2603
01:52:34,219 --> 01:52:32,670
honest you know would you mind if I took

2604
01:52:35,989 --> 01:52:34,229
plainer I started removing some of this

2605
01:52:40,129 --> 01:52:35,999
paint and she was fine with that

2606
01:52:41,419 --> 01:52:40,139
so it turned out that the landlord she

2607
01:52:43,729 --> 01:52:41,429
was running the place from and basically

2608
01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:43,739
done a cheap you know whitewash job on

2609
01:52:48,949 --> 01:52:46,800
the walls and once I started clearing

2610
01:52:52,699 --> 01:52:48,959
this section of wall six at six with

2611
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:52,709
nothing more than a long series of

2612
01:52:57,890 --> 01:52:55,170
straws with a crayon that the previous

2613
01:53:00,770 --> 01:52:57,900
child had put on the wall along with a

2614
01:53:01,819 --> 01:53:00,780
lot of other demonic blackmail them sure

2615
01:53:03,969 --> 01:53:01,829
yeah exactly

2616
01:53:06,350 --> 01:53:03,979
you know drawings of other you know

2617
01:53:07,969 --> 01:53:06,360
little animals and things like those

2618
01:53:09,709 --> 01:53:07,979
were all over the law there's a kid's

2619
01:53:12,350 --> 01:53:09,719
bedroom he had drawn all over the walls

2620
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:12,360
and you know as far as the foot

2621
01:53:18,529 --> 01:53:16,010
scratching at the portals once we got a

2622
01:53:20,689 --> 01:53:18,539
exterminator in it turned out to be

2623
01:53:22,399 --> 01:53:20,699
nothing more than a couple of rats that

2624
01:53:26,449 --> 01:53:22,409
were trying to nest in the wall behind

2625
01:53:29,060 --> 01:53:26,459
the plaster so the point is is that you

2626
01:53:30,859 --> 01:53:29,070
know people you know went in with a

2627
01:53:32,930 --> 01:53:30,869
particular agenda they wanted a tool

2628
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:32,940
demonic case that they could go post on

2629
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:35,280
their website you know it's all well and

2630
01:53:39,770 --> 01:53:37,920
good for them it but it's it's putting

2631
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:39,780
something out there that really hasn't

2632
01:53:44,689 --> 01:53:42,090
been genuinely investigated or research

2633
01:53:46,729 --> 01:53:44,699
and worst it's terrifying this poor

2634
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:46,739
woman who they just completely abandoned

2635
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:48,719
after they convinced her that she had a

2636
01:53:53,239 --> 01:53:51,570
demonic infestation so there are a lot

2637
01:53:55,339 --> 01:53:53,249
of those types of cases that are

2638
01:53:58,520 --> 01:53:55,349
happening and you know it's all about

2639
01:54:00,290 --> 01:53:58,530
the agenda I think that people approach

2640
01:54:02,149 --> 01:54:00,300
these things you know it's like you're

2641
01:54:04,339 --> 01:54:02,159
saying presenting anybody can throw a

2642
01:54:07,129 --> 01:54:04,349
story up on the debts a shot a Bigfoot

2643
01:54:09,169 --> 01:54:07,139
they have an alien in my freezer right

2644
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:09,179
an alien in my view no I bear but I

2645
01:54:13,870 --> 01:54:10,650
didn't bring the body back I you know I

2646
01:54:17,959 --> 01:54:13,880
buried it in the woods and so forth so

2647
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:17,969
you know it's it doesn't show I was

2648
01:54:21,259 --> 01:54:19,170
going that but you know the point is

2649
01:54:22,669 --> 01:54:21,269
that it's you know it's it's about the

2650
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:22,679
agenda that someone approaches these

2651
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:24,090
things with I I try to take a

2652
01:54:27,890 --> 01:54:26,130
journalistic approach and just

2653
01:54:30,410 --> 01:54:27,900
present the evidence and you know after

2654
01:54:32,689 --> 01:54:30,420
I've verified the best of my ability and

2655
01:54:34,430 --> 01:54:32,699
put it out there and say let's look at

2656
01:54:36,740 --> 01:54:34,440
the the threads that connect these

2657
01:54:39,530 --> 01:54:36,750
things you know and it's it's almost

2658
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:39,540
more important to me to look at this

2659
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:42,000
whole concept that my god we do we have

2660
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:44,730
so many of these cases that are showing

2661
01:54:49,700 --> 01:54:47,520
up what's behind this you know why is

2662
01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:49,710
this happening you know with any given

2663
01:54:55,490 --> 01:54:52,650
phenomena even after you pitch out the

2664
01:54:57,709 --> 01:54:55,500
you know the closes and the mistaken

2665
01:55:01,419 --> 01:54:57,719
identity you still have a big core of

2666
01:55:03,500 --> 01:55:01,429
cases yeah you have to start questioning

2667
01:55:05,780 --> 01:55:03,510
exactly what's going on here I mean it's

2668
01:55:07,550 --> 01:55:05,790
like it's like your area I don't mean

2669
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:07,560
like no I'm sure that a portion of this

2670
01:55:12,140 --> 01:55:09,690
can be attributed to the Predators and

2671
01:55:14,090 --> 01:55:12,150
your portions of the things but you know

2672
01:55:16,370 --> 01:55:14,100
there are enough unexplained

2673
01:55:19,399 --> 01:55:16,380
circumstances and cases that it warrants

2674
01:55:21,740 --> 01:55:19,409
a closer look well in there are cases

2675
01:55:23,660 --> 01:55:21,750
that have warranted a closer look a

2676
01:55:26,750 --> 01:55:23,670
closer look scientifically has been

2677
01:55:29,330 --> 01:55:26,760
applied and very definitive results have

2678
01:55:31,930 --> 01:55:29,340
been reduced from scientific testing

2679
01:55:34,729 --> 01:55:31,940
which the skeptics and the debunkers and

2680
01:55:36,709 --> 01:55:34,739
people who want to believe in more

2681
01:55:38,629 --> 01:55:36,719
exotic theories about what's behind the

2682
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:38,639
phenomenon they fail to bring these

2683
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:41,280
cases up and and that leads us to

2684
01:55:46,220 --> 01:55:44,010
another question actually I'm glad that

2685
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:46,230
you brought that up again who's one of

2686
01:55:52,879 --> 01:55:49,199
our fairly frequent posters at forum dr.

2687
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:52,889
Peric ascom Kari hey Newton his hand he

2688
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:54,719
says I'm sorry this is a bit of a McCobb

2689
01:55:59,600 --> 01:55:57,090
question but please they're in the right

2690
01:56:02,330 --> 01:55:59,610
show here from a cop questions because

2691
01:56:04,340 --> 01:56:02,340
you've got the macabre questioner well I

2692
01:56:07,070 --> 01:56:04,350
wouldn't call it McCobb it's just kind

2693
01:56:09,379 --> 01:56:07,080
of body part oriented please ask mr.

2694
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:09,389
Wetherly if he knows of any ceremonies

2695
01:56:15,260 --> 01:56:12,719
or rituals that require or involves

2696
01:56:18,260 --> 01:56:15,270
specific organs or parts of animals

2697
01:56:20,990 --> 01:56:18,270
especially cows he had that could

2698
01:56:24,740 --> 01:56:21,000
account for some cattle mutilation cases

2699
01:56:26,300 --> 01:56:24,750
and he says also or alternatively if my

2700
01:56:29,060 --> 01:56:26,310
first question was not appropriate

2701
01:56:30,530 --> 01:56:29,070
please ask what the best advice or piece

2702
01:56:35,649 --> 01:56:30,540
of wisdom he has been given by his

2703
01:56:39,540 --> 01:56:38,660
you know I'll answer the the second half

2704
01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:39,550
of that first

2705
01:56:44,399 --> 01:56:42,159
I think that you know after years of

2706
01:56:47,850 --> 01:56:44,409
studying with different shamanic

2707
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:47,860
teachers the the most valuable lesson

2708
01:56:54,629 --> 01:56:50,290
that I learned early on from those guys

2709
01:56:57,330 --> 01:56:54,639
was awareness essentially keeping a very

2710
01:57:00,600 --> 01:56:57,340
high level of awareness and just paying

2711
01:57:02,780 --> 01:57:00,610
attention I think if more people did

2712
01:57:05,100 --> 01:57:02,790
that we would find some very different

2713
01:57:06,299 --> 01:57:05,110
manifestations in the world you know the

2714
01:57:08,370 --> 01:57:06,309
more you pay attention that you're

2715
01:57:10,260 --> 01:57:08,380
surrounding the events that are

2716
01:57:13,020 --> 01:57:10,270
happening the way people are interacting

2717
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:13,030
with you that's the easiest way I can

2718
01:57:17,970 --> 01:57:15,250
encompass the the concept just by saying

2719
01:57:20,370 --> 01:57:17,980
no a hive there at will I double down

2720
01:57:22,109 --> 01:57:20,380
all right we'll get to the next part of

2721
01:57:24,330 --> 01:57:22,119
the answer in our next segment with

2722
01:57:26,850 --> 01:57:24,340
David Weatherly joining Jeanne and Chris

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2749
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2750
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stimulus what's worse a printing press

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to finance a hundred years ago we had a

2759
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2760
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& Stream champion Chad Weatherford along

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we'd like to hear from you if you have a

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2817
02:02:07,160 --> 02:02:02,950
para cast com what creature Chris

2818
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:07,170
O'Brien were you possessed by a medium

2819
02:02:13,490 --> 02:02:11,170
channeling Cthulhu it's easy for you to

2820
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:13,500
say try to say that five times without

2821
02:02:18,300 --> 02:02:15,970
now forget about it David Weatherly

2822
02:02:20,430 --> 02:02:18,310
joining us answering your questions

2823
02:02:22,050 --> 02:02:20,440
listeners as they are posted at forum

2824
02:02:24,420 --> 02:02:22,060
doctrine para cast com

2825
02:02:26,430 --> 02:02:24,430
David you started an answer it's kind of

2826
02:02:31,010 --> 02:02:26,440
like a multi-part question so do you

2827
02:02:32,520 --> 02:02:31,020
have another part sure yeah katal boards

2828
02:02:35,310 --> 02:02:32,530
Wow

2829
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:35,320
you know oh well again if we go back

2830
02:02:39,660 --> 02:02:37,210
through the history of various magical

2831
02:02:44,100 --> 02:02:39,670
traditions yeah we do find occasions

2832
02:02:46,470 --> 02:02:44,110
where specific animal parts were used to

2833
02:02:49,560 --> 02:02:46,480
varying degrees you know there are for

2834
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:49,570
instance you know in early divination

2835
02:02:54,540 --> 02:02:51,490
they would sometimes take the entrails

2836
02:02:57,060 --> 02:02:54,550
out of an animal and spill it across the

2837
02:02:58,710 --> 02:02:57,070
altar area in order to you know look at

2838
02:03:02,010 --> 02:02:58,720
the patterns and so forth and Devine

2839
02:03:04,350 --> 02:03:02,020
what's happening as far as modern right

2840
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:04,360
as far as the more modern context really

2841
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:07,570
what the whole sort of creation of

2842
02:03:15,930 --> 02:03:11,050
Satanism in the 70s now Anton LaVey

2843
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:15,940
whole wave of showmanship along with

2844
02:03:21,120 --> 02:03:17,970
that we had a lot of people who started

2845
02:03:23,220 --> 02:03:21,130
practicing varying degrees of black

2846
02:03:25,950 --> 02:03:23,230
magic and Satanism and so forth and

2847
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:25,960
really this is all a lot of this is

2848
02:03:31,740 --> 02:03:29,130
modern and a fairly modern creation of

2849
02:03:34,590 --> 02:03:31,750
perversion of more traditional rituals

2850
02:03:37,710 --> 02:03:34,600
so you do find some cases where these

2851
02:03:41,850 --> 02:03:37,720
guys purport to use various animal parts

2852
02:03:44,160 --> 02:03:41,860
for sacrifice or divination or to

2853
02:03:47,850 --> 02:03:44,170
achieve a particular goal to curse

2854
02:03:49,170 --> 02:03:47,860
someone even and now has I'm thinking

2855
02:03:52,110 --> 02:03:49,180
more about this I'm remembering other

2856
02:03:54,209 --> 02:03:52,120
things as far as cow parts in some of

2857
02:03:56,189 --> 02:03:54,219
the afro-caribbean traditions

2858
02:03:59,939 --> 02:03:56,199
which we would interpret as a scent of

2859
02:04:04,170 --> 02:03:59,949
your boo-boo you will find there's a

2860
02:04:06,959 --> 02:04:04,180
whole ritual to silence a person who is

2861
02:04:09,500 --> 02:04:06,969
speaking against you and the ritual

2862
02:04:12,420 --> 02:04:09,510
involves taking a cow's tongue and

2863
02:04:14,670 --> 02:04:12,430
nailing it to a tree along with some

2864
02:04:17,670 --> 02:04:14,680
other specific things within the ritual

2865
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:17,680
that purportedly will bind the tongue of

2866
02:04:21,720 --> 02:04:19,930
the person and stop them from saying bad

2867
02:04:24,150 --> 02:04:21,730
things about you maybe I should have

2868
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:24,160
said before this yuck alert ladies and

2869
02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:29,410
gentlemen kind of fitting I guess we get

2870
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:32,320
into some of the more macabre aspects of

2871
02:04:36,510 --> 02:04:35,050
these things yeah I've done it actually

2872
02:04:38,580 --> 02:04:36,520
had quite a bit of research into this

2873
02:04:42,780 --> 02:04:38,590
realm as well which I will be covering

2874
02:04:45,180 --> 02:04:42,790
in my new book stalking the herd and in

2875
02:04:47,610 --> 02:04:45,190
Africa you do find some pretty

2876
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:47,620
interesting sub cultural belief systems

2877
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:50,410
relating to specific body parts and how

2878
02:04:55,650 --> 02:04:53,050
they can be used which holistically some

2879
02:05:00,180 --> 02:04:55,660
of which I don't want to go into right

2880
02:05:02,490 --> 02:05:00,190
now thank you I was trying to avoid some

2881
02:05:04,530 --> 02:05:02,500
of the more colorful uses of certain

2882
02:05:06,120 --> 02:05:04,540
body parts you know I kind of think here

2883
02:05:07,290 --> 02:05:06,130
as people are listening sometimes to

2884
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:07,300
this show in their cars

2885
02:05:12,300 --> 02:05:09,370
you know they download the version from

2886
02:05:14,340 --> 02:05:12,310
iTunes they run it in their cars they

2887
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:14,350
hook up their iPhones or whatever to

2888
02:05:17,490 --> 02:05:16,000
their car by bluetooth and they're

2889
02:05:20,189 --> 02:05:17,500
listening and then you say something

2890
02:05:21,959 --> 02:05:20,199
really interesting like that and they're

2891
02:05:25,550 --> 02:05:21,969
ready to just run off the road you think

2892
02:05:28,140 --> 02:05:25,560
of massive epidemic of trucks and cars

2893
02:05:29,700 --> 02:05:28,150
running off the road at something set on

2894
02:05:31,020 --> 02:05:29,710
the power cast I'm thinking of the

2895
02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:31,030
lawsuits I'm kidding

2896
02:05:37,260 --> 02:05:33,280
the African practice of female genital

2897
02:05:38,490 --> 02:05:37,270
mutilation right that's that's something

2898
02:05:40,620 --> 02:05:38,500
that you don't hear about in the West

2899
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:40,630
very often but it's a very real thing

2900
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:43,930
right well and we go you know to Asia

2901
02:05:49,860 --> 02:05:46,330
and a large portions of Asia that take

2902
02:05:54,540 --> 02:05:49,870
you know animal parts and grind them up

2903
02:05:57,540 --> 02:05:54,550
and you know consume them for energy and

2904
02:06:00,180 --> 02:05:57,550
vitality and fertility and a wide range

2905
02:06:04,830 --> 02:06:00,190
of different purposes that was quite

2906
02:06:05,939 --> 02:06:04,840
politically correct I like that I kind

2907
02:06:07,979 --> 02:06:05,949
of cringed where you were going with

2908
02:06:10,319 --> 02:06:07,989
that but you know

2909
02:06:13,500 --> 02:06:10,329
save on that one there yeah the human

2910
02:06:16,350 --> 02:06:13,510
the human belief systems that develop

2911
02:06:20,100 --> 02:06:16,360
over time so culturally around the world

2912
02:06:22,259 --> 02:06:20,110
really are quite fascinating and if it's

2913
02:06:24,330 --> 02:06:22,269
not of your culture sometimes there's

2914
02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:24,340
even a bit of revulsion that might be

2915
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:27,280
attached to it and you know I really

2916
02:06:32,489 --> 02:06:29,170
have a sense and David you brought this

2917
02:06:36,330 --> 02:06:32,499
up earlier that the very power of belief

2918
02:06:39,870 --> 02:06:36,340
in an individual has presence but when

2919
02:06:42,930 --> 02:06:39,880
you combine that individual belief into

2920
02:06:46,439 --> 02:06:42,940
a collective belief it has even more

2921
02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:46,449
presence and possibly power and then

2922
02:06:51,839 --> 02:06:48,249
when you look at the possibility that

2923
02:06:55,919 --> 02:06:51,849
the subconscious of humanity might be

2924
02:06:59,580 --> 02:06:55,929
manifesting belief in some collective

2925
02:07:03,029 --> 02:06:59,590
unconscious way then you know that it's

2926
02:07:04,830 --> 02:07:03,039
it's really an intriguing area of study

2927
02:07:07,049 --> 02:07:04,840
that I don't think enough attention has

2928
02:07:09,089 --> 02:07:07,059
been brought to yeah and it's you know

2929
02:07:11,580 --> 02:07:09,099
it's certainly a path that goes a lot

2930
02:07:14,339 --> 02:07:11,590
further down the rabbit hole and it's

2931
02:07:16,169 --> 02:07:14,349
it's very compelling you know you're

2932
02:07:19,169 --> 02:07:16,179
talking about this interaction between

2933
02:07:21,750 --> 02:07:19,179
not just our own subconscious but also

2934
02:07:24,180 --> 02:07:21,760
the collective consciousness and you

2935
02:07:26,370 --> 02:07:24,190
know we we know relatively little about

2936
02:07:28,439 --> 02:07:26,380
what humans are completely capable

2937
02:07:30,660 --> 02:07:28,449
capable of I mean I think we've only

2938
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:30,670
scratched the surface of what our

2939
02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:34,090
abilities are and you know that's in

2940
02:07:38,759 --> 02:07:37,090
part why a lot of people reach back that

2941
02:07:39,989 --> 02:07:38,769
needs a more ancient traditions you know

2942
02:07:43,500 --> 02:07:39,999
even if it's something as simple as

2943
02:07:45,750 --> 02:07:43,510
meditation it's been a whole craze of

2944
02:07:48,089 --> 02:07:45,760
creative visualization and things like

2945
02:07:50,310 --> 02:07:48,099
this that now really resonate with

2946
02:07:53,459 --> 02:07:50,320
people because they're looking for past

2947
02:07:55,229 --> 02:07:53,469
to we reach their own greater potential

2948
02:07:56,790 --> 02:07:55,239
you know you said something within the

2949
02:07:58,830 --> 02:07:56,800
midst of that that really brought this

2950
02:08:00,450 --> 02:07:58,840
to mine and I kind of want to go into

2951
02:08:04,680 --> 02:08:00,460
this a little bit and this is this

2952
02:08:06,450 --> 02:08:04,690
concept of the Tulpa which really is you

2953
02:08:08,209 --> 02:08:06,460
know encompasses what we're talking

2954
02:08:11,279 --> 02:08:08,219
about here this whole interaction with

2955
02:08:14,069 --> 02:08:11,289
some type of energy field that is

2956
02:08:16,290 --> 02:08:14,079
outside of us but also know our own

2957
02:08:19,229 --> 02:08:16,300
consciousness and our own projections

2958
02:08:20,910 --> 02:08:19,239
and I'm kind of knee-deep in finishing

2959
02:08:21,730 --> 02:08:20,920
the next book which is on this topic

2960
02:08:23,790 --> 02:08:21,740
right now

2961
02:08:27,850 --> 02:08:23,800
one of the things I found fascinating

2962
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:27,860
that our relate is there's a very famous

2963
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:30,530
haunted site I'm sure you know most you

2964
02:08:35,740 --> 02:08:32,570
listeners have heard of the myrtles

2965
02:08:38,410 --> 02:08:35,750
plantation now the myrtles plantation is

2966
02:08:40,860 --> 02:08:38,420
in Louisiana its purportedly one of

2967
02:08:43,180 --> 02:08:40,870
those haunted sites in the country and

2968
02:08:45,310 --> 02:08:43,190
literally thousands of people go there

2969
02:08:47,950 --> 02:08:45,320
every year to you know take the ghost

2970
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:47,960
tour a lot of people go to stay into and

2971
02:08:52,270 --> 02:08:50,090
quote investigate and trying to get to

2972
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:52,280
evidence and when you go down there and

2973
02:08:57,250 --> 02:08:54,050
you listen to the ghost door and you

2974
02:08:58,720 --> 02:08:57,260
listen to the tales that are focused

2975
02:09:02,560 --> 02:08:58,730
around the myrtles you you won't hear

2976
02:09:04,750 --> 02:09:02,570
the story of Chloe now the story goes

2977
02:09:07,870 --> 02:09:04,760
that Chloe was a slave that lived on the

2978
02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:07,880
plantation she was in having an affair

2979
02:09:14,950 --> 02:09:11,090
with the master she sort of fell out of

2980
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:14,960
favor she got caught he's dropping and

2981
02:09:20,830 --> 02:09:17,090
as a result one of her ears was cut off

2982
02:09:24,940 --> 02:09:20,840
so she afterwards always wore turban to

2983
02:09:29,460 --> 02:09:24,950
cover that now in order to try to get

2984
02:09:33,100 --> 02:09:29,470
back in the Masters favor she poisoned

2985
02:09:35,020 --> 02:09:33,110
the children on the household with what

2986
02:09:37,630 --> 02:09:35,030
she thought was a mild dose of poison

2987
02:09:39,070 --> 02:09:37,640
the idea was to get these kids sick so

2988
02:09:42,070 --> 02:09:39,080
that she could nurse them back to health

2989
02:09:44,410 --> 02:09:42,080
and sort of be the hero and be in favor

2990
02:09:48,220 --> 02:09:44,420
again but she used too much poison and

2991
02:09:50,710 --> 02:09:48,230
these kids died so as I said you know

2992
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:50,720
people constantly go there and search

2993
02:09:55,420 --> 02:09:52,970
for evidence of Chloe in fact there's a

2994
02:09:57,070 --> 02:09:55,430
famous photograph to my knowledge it

2995
02:09:58,840 --> 02:09:57,080
hasn't been debunked that I've really

2996
02:10:00,070 --> 02:09:58,850
tried to find out more about this

2997
02:10:02,470 --> 02:10:00,080
photograph you can find it on the

2998
02:10:04,930 --> 02:10:02,480
internet it's a picture that purports to

2999
02:10:07,780 --> 02:10:04,940
be an apparition of Chloe's then between

3000
02:10:11,290 --> 02:10:07,790
the main house in the back house we will

3001
02:10:12,610 --> 02:10:11,300
look for Chloe and other people I gather

3002
02:10:14,710 --> 02:10:12,620
there's some people listening to us

3003
02:10:17,700 --> 02:10:14,720
named Chloe and there are characters and

3004
02:10:20,350 --> 02:10:17,710
TV shows named Chloe and we have David

3005
02:10:22,870 --> 02:10:20,360
Weatherly and we have Chris O'Brien

3006
02:10:27,650 --> 02:10:22,880
we have Jean Steinberg you're in the

3007
02:10:34,380 --> 02:10:30,990
are you tired of searching for great

3008
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3033
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3034
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3035
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call it robbery

3036
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we call it avoidable we are fake TV a

3037
02:12:02,130 --> 02:11:59,530
simple electronic device that can full

3038
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:02,140
even professional burglars fake TV

3039
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easily plugs into any outlet and

3040
02:12:08,550 --> 02:12:06,010
simulates the changing colors of a

3041
02:12:10,920 --> 02:12:08,560
television to a burglar it looks like

3042
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:10,930
someone must be home watching TV so

3043
02:12:17,220 --> 02:12:12,610
they'll likely move on to an easier

3044
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:17,230
target at only 29.95 fake TV costs less

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02:12:21,480 --> 02:12:18,850
than a month of most alarm monitoring

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02:12:26,160 --> 02:12:21,490
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3047
02:12:29,070 --> 02:12:26,170
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3048
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go to fete tv.com that's eight seven

3049
02:12:36,100 --> 02:12:31,460
seven five three two five three

3050
02:12:40,860 --> 02:12:36,110
eight or fate tv.com fake TV the burglar

3051
02:12:42,850 --> 02:12:40,870
deterrent we all know that berkey water

3052
02:12:45,100 --> 02:12:42,860
purification systems are the most

3053
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trusted name in water filtration as an

3054
02:12:48,850 --> 02:12:47,150
authorized Berkey dealer for over 6

3055
02:12:49,750 --> 02:12:48,860
years in serving thousands of satisfied

3056
02:12:52,150 --> 02:12:49,760
customers

3057
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the Berkey guy offers amazing specials

3058
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for berkey water filtration systems the

3059
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3060
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self-sterilizing and re cleanable black

3061
02:13:02,410 --> 02:12:59,989
purification elements that purify water

3062
02:13:04,630 --> 02:13:02,420
by removing chlorine pathogenic bacteria

3063
02:13:06,850 --> 02:13:04,640
cysts and parasites to non detectable

3064
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levels and remove harmful chemicals such

3065
02:13:10,750 --> 02:13:08,900
as herbicides and pesticides order the

3066
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Berkey light system today complete with

3067
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two black per key elements for only 231

3068
02:13:17,290 --> 02:13:15,350
dollars and the burka guy will ship your

3069
02:13:19,240 --> 02:13:17,300
order free of charge with the purchase

3070
02:13:21,400 --> 02:13:19,250
of a Berkey light the burka guy is also

3071
02:13:24,280 --> 02:13:21,410
offering a set of fluoride and arsenic

3072
02:13:25,750 --> 02:13:24,290
filters for only $39.99 that's over 30

3073
02:13:27,820 --> 02:13:25,760
percent off the retail price

3074
02:13:30,250 --> 02:13:27,830
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3075
02:13:32,470 --> 02:13:30,260
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3076
02:13:34,690 --> 02:13:32,480
three that's one eight seven seven eight

3077
02:13:37,180 --> 02:13:34,700
eight six three six five three four

3078
02:13:39,880 --> 02:13:37,190
order online at Gober Keep Calm that's

3079
02:13:42,070 --> 02:13:39,890
Gober Keep Calm today my name is Bruno

3080
02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:42,080
I'm 52 years old I've tried different

3081
02:13:45,400 --> 02:13:43,730
protein powders over the years and

3082
02:13:46,690 --> 02:13:45,410
they've all tasted pretty bad I tried

3083
02:13:48,700 --> 02:13:46,700
one road way and found it to be

3084
02:13:50,530 --> 02:13:48,710
delicious after ten weeks on one world

3085
02:13:52,120 --> 02:13:50,540
way my wife commented you have more

3086
02:13:53,950 --> 02:13:52,130
muscles and you're leaner than when you

3087
02:13:56,830 --> 02:13:53,960
were 20 years old my body has changed

3088
02:13:58,810 --> 02:13:56,840
dramatically I'm a cyclist normally I'll

3089
02:14:01,690 --> 02:13:58,820
ride two days on and take two days off

3090
02:14:03,850 --> 02:14:01,700
after being on one world way I wrote 10

3091
02:14:05,800 --> 02:14:03,860
days in a row and over 100 degree heat

3092
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:05,810
and then I take another two servings of

3093
02:14:09,820 --> 02:14:07,520
one world away and then work out at the

3094
02:14:12,190 --> 02:14:09,830
gym for another hour and a half I just

3095
02:14:13,750 --> 02:14:12,200
couldn't believe these results my normal

3096
02:14:16,030 --> 02:14:13,760
muscle tightness and soreness after

3097
02:14:18,280 --> 02:14:16,040
working out are virtually gone don't

3098
02:14:21,100 --> 02:14:18,290
take my word for it one railway comes in

3099
02:14:23,020 --> 02:14:21,110
single servings just give it a try for a

3100
02:14:25,180 --> 02:14:23,030
health and taste sensation you'll love

3101
02:14:27,370 --> 02:14:25,190
call eight eight eight nine eight eight

3102
02:14:29,110 --> 02:14:27,380
three three two five that's eight eight

3103
02:14:30,850 --> 02:14:29,120
eight nine eight eight three three two

3104
02:14:33,610 --> 02:14:30,860
five that's eight eight eight nine eight

3105
02:14:35,610 --> 02:14:33,620
eight three three two five or visit one

3106
02:14:40,080 --> 02:14:35,620
world wacom that's

3107
02:14:46,930 --> 02:14:40,090
one world wh ey calm

3108
02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:46,940
[Music]

3109
02:14:52,010 --> 02:14:49,130
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

3110
02:14:56,850 --> 02:14:52,020
listening to the para cast

3111
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:01,710
oh yeah you're on the para cast and

3112
02:15:07,620 --> 02:15:04,210
we're exploring some fascinating

3113
02:15:09,870 --> 02:15:07,630
fascinating stuff with a returning guest

3114
02:15:13,590 --> 02:15:09,880
David Weatherly doing this for 35 years

3115
02:15:16,680 --> 02:15:13,600
until he gets it right you want to go on

3116
02:15:18,530 --> 02:15:16,690
with the story of Chloe so we're talking

3117
02:15:21,660 --> 02:15:18,540
about Chloe at the myrtles plantation

3118
02:15:23,070 --> 02:15:21,670
you know on a regular basis people are

3119
02:15:25,110 --> 02:15:23,080
going and they're collecting quote

3120
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:25,120
evidence of Chloe you know people have

3121
02:15:31,230 --> 02:15:27,450
caught EVPs that importantly her

3122
02:15:35,160 --> 02:15:31,240
photographs of apparitions of partial

3123
02:15:36,900 --> 02:15:35,170
apparitions of Chloe and people that

3124
02:15:39,930 --> 02:15:36,910
work at the plantation will report

3125
02:15:42,650 --> 02:15:39,940
seeing her or having interactions with

3126
02:15:44,730 --> 02:15:42,660
her but here's the intriguing thing

3127
02:15:48,240 --> 02:15:44,740
historically she never existed

3128
02:15:52,110 --> 02:15:48,250
the children who purportedly were

3129
02:15:53,850 --> 02:15:52,120
poisoned and died historical documents

3130
02:15:57,300 --> 02:15:53,860
show they actually died of yellow fever

3131
02:16:01,050 --> 02:15:57,310
there's no evidence whatsoever of Pilate

3132
02:16:02,760 --> 02:16:01,060
ever having been a real person somewhere

3133
02:16:05,460 --> 02:16:02,770
along the way this this story was

3134
02:16:08,910 --> 02:16:05,470
created and it's been passed down for

3135
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:08,920
years and years and now the popularity

3136
02:16:13,340 --> 02:16:11,290
of ghost hunting we have we have people

3137
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:13,350
flooding to the myrtles plantation

3138
02:16:18,290 --> 02:16:15,850
looking for evidence of flowing and

3139
02:16:22,140 --> 02:16:18,300
finding it so we have to question

3140
02:16:24,360 --> 02:16:22,150
exactly why is this happening we get

3141
02:16:27,690 --> 02:16:24,370
into the areas of a Tulpa now you know

3142
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:27,700
an image that has had so much energy put

3143
02:16:32,280 --> 02:16:29,530
into it I'm gonna like the power

3144
02:16:36,690 --> 02:16:32,290
selective belief that it begins to

3145
02:16:39,210 --> 02:16:36,700
manifest exactly well one of the you

3146
02:16:41,880 --> 02:16:39,220
know I covered Tulpas in the Djinn and a

3147
02:16:43,560 --> 02:16:41,890
lot of these types of phenomena in my

3148
02:16:47,041 --> 02:16:43,570
book stalking the tricksters and one of

3149
02:16:49,260 --> 02:16:47,051
the most compelling of figures by

3150
02:16:51,810 --> 02:16:49,270
historical figures from the turn of the

3151
02:16:55,260 --> 02:16:51,820
19th 20th century was Alexandre David

3152
02:16:57,210 --> 02:16:55,270
Neal who was one of the first women to

3153
02:17:00,060 --> 02:16:57,220
go to Tibet Western women to go to Tibet

3154
02:17:03,030 --> 02:17:00,070
and claim that she actually was able to

3155
02:17:05,940 --> 02:17:03,040
get the training very rigorous training

3156
02:17:08,791 --> 02:17:05,950
then it took to allow her to manifest a

3157
02:17:12,450 --> 02:17:08,801
Tulpa and much to her

3158
02:17:16,590 --> 02:17:12,460
dismay she was unable to make it go away

3159
02:17:19,810 --> 02:17:16,600
it started getting a life of its own

3160
02:17:22,360 --> 02:17:19,820
give us some other examples that topas

3161
02:17:24,610 --> 02:17:22,370
have fascinated me for years and this

3162
02:17:25,450 --> 02:17:24,620
Tibetan tradition is is not well known

3163
02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:25,460
in the West

3164
02:17:32,980 --> 02:17:28,250
yeah and that that particular story that

3165
02:17:34,780 --> 02:17:32,990
is just that that's phenomenal and the

3166
02:17:37,030 --> 02:17:34,790
woman herself is amazing I can't believe

3167
02:17:38,530 --> 02:17:37,040
no one has has done some kind of a you

3168
02:17:40,331 --> 02:17:38,540
know blockbuster movie about this

3169
02:17:42,250 --> 02:17:40,341
woman's life she you know went into the

3170
02:17:44,380 --> 02:17:42,260
Forbidden Kingdom when it was you know

3171
02:17:47,140 --> 02:17:44,390
closed the Westerners let alone women

3172
02:17:48,791 --> 02:17:47,150
and she you know became very close to

3173
02:17:51,250 --> 02:17:48,801
some of the lamas there and was taught

3174
02:17:54,970 --> 02:17:51,260
this process to create this Tulpa and

3175
02:17:57,940 --> 02:17:54,980
you know she sort of brought the concept

3176
02:18:00,430 --> 02:17:57,950
back to the West went during her travels

3177
02:18:02,590 --> 02:18:00,440
when she presented that idea of course

3178
02:18:05,230 --> 02:18:02,600
she details it in her magic chemistry in

3179
02:18:08,620 --> 02:18:05,240
Tibet book but essentially like you're

3180
02:18:10,990 --> 02:18:08,630
saying Chris she created an image and to

3181
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:11,000
step outside of the cultural confines

3182
02:18:15,520 --> 02:18:13,850
rather than me something Tibetan since

3183
02:18:18,850 --> 02:18:15,530
she was a westerner she focused on the

3184
02:18:22,180 --> 02:18:18,860
idea of this jolly monk sort of a Friar

3185
02:18:23,770 --> 02:18:22,190
Tuck type of character and it's

3186
02:18:26,410 --> 02:18:23,780
fascinating to look at the process

3187
02:18:29,560 --> 02:18:26,420
because he went from an image in her

3188
02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:29,570
mind to sort of a ghostly apparition to

3189
02:18:35,020 --> 02:18:33,290
you know a fully physical form that was

3190
02:18:39,010 --> 02:18:35,030
walking around and in the midst of the

3191
02:18:40,770 --> 02:18:39,020
camp and he became quite terrifying when

3192
02:18:42,640 --> 02:18:40,780
he took on a life of his own and

3193
02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:42,650
eventually she had to go back to the

3194
02:18:46,810 --> 02:18:45,290
llamas and say how do I get rid of this

3195
02:18:49,420 --> 02:18:46,820
thing you know now that I've created it

3196
02:18:51,130 --> 02:18:49,430
and the completely different process if

3197
02:18:53,860 --> 02:18:51,140
you had to go through in order to sort

3198
02:18:56,530 --> 02:18:53,870
of disperse that energy and cause it to

3199
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:56,540
go away but periodically other people

3200
02:19:01,541 --> 02:18:58,880
have looked at this concept it was it

3201
02:19:05,590 --> 02:19:01,551
was westernized when Nell brought it

3202
02:19:07,541 --> 02:19:05,600
back to the UK and Europe and you know

3203
02:19:10,331 --> 02:19:07,551
the Theosophical Society picked up on

3204
02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:10,341
and they translated it as the concept of

3205
02:19:14,860 --> 02:19:13,130
the foghorn which is a projected form

3206
02:19:17,310 --> 02:19:14,870
essentially the same thing as a Tulpa

3207
02:19:19,720 --> 02:19:17,320
they just westernized the idea and

3208
02:19:21,580 --> 02:19:19,730
periodically this comes up a John keel

3209
02:19:23,950 --> 02:19:21,590
investigated it's almond and

3210
02:19:26,650 --> 02:19:23,960
one of most fascinating stories I cover

3211
02:19:30,940 --> 02:19:26,660
in the book is that John keel was called

3212
02:19:34,509 --> 02:19:30,950
to investigate a a haunting in a house

3213
02:19:36,459 --> 02:19:34,519
in Greenwich Village and when he went to

3214
02:19:38,200 --> 02:19:36,469
the location he was told by the people

3215
02:19:42,250 --> 02:19:38,210
living in this house that they were

3216
02:19:45,219 --> 02:19:42,260
seeing an apparition that was you know

3217
02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:45,229
this this male figure with a large cloak

3218
02:19:49,570 --> 02:19:48,170
on in a large slouch hat I think I've

3219
02:19:52,349 --> 02:19:49,580
seen this thing dart around the house

3220
02:19:54,880 --> 02:19:52,359
and it was kind of breaking them out so

3221
02:19:56,290 --> 02:19:54,890
they had called teal Aquila started

3222
02:19:58,570 --> 02:19:56,300
delving into the history of what was

3223
02:20:00,370 --> 02:19:58,580
going on here and he discovered that the

3224
02:20:04,900 --> 02:20:00,380
house had previously been owned by

3225
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:04,910
Walter Gibson Walter Gibson wrote under

3226
02:20:10,450 --> 02:20:05,600
the pen name

3227
02:20:14,469 --> 02:20:10,460
Maxwell grant oh yeah Walter Gibson rode

3228
02:20:16,330 --> 02:20:14,479
like 300 shadow novels over a period of

3229
02:20:20,110 --> 02:20:16,340
what 10 or 15 years he was also a

3230
02:20:23,139 --> 02:20:20,120
magician yes interesting character won't

3231
02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:23,149
be Gibson Walter Gibson now here here's

3232
02:20:27,880 --> 02:20:26,570
a phenomenal thing and I'm sure you know

3233
02:20:29,860 --> 02:20:27,890
this blew me away when I read it I'm

3234
02:20:31,290 --> 02:20:29,870
sure Chris will be impressed too and at

3235
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:31,300
his height

3236
02:20:43,330 --> 02:20:36,080
Walter Gibson was writing to Poland

3237
02:20:45,210 --> 02:20:43,340
shadow novels per month let me explain

3238
02:20:49,929 --> 02:20:45,220
[Music]

3239
02:20:51,790 --> 02:20:49,939
this whole Fedora shadow person comes

3240
02:20:55,300 --> 02:20:51,800
from well if the door of course is what

3241
02:20:57,940 --> 02:20:55,310
bush a doe wore if you remember this not

3242
02:21:01,179 --> 02:20:57,950
well reviewed movie with Alec Baldwin as

3243
02:21:02,679 --> 02:21:01,189
the shadow he wears the fedora hat but

3244
02:21:05,710 --> 02:21:02,689
there's another thing to bear in mind

3245
02:21:08,170 --> 02:21:05,720
too here is that these novels we think

3246
02:21:10,990 --> 02:21:08,180
novels we think it's you know 300 pages

3247
02:21:12,099 --> 02:21:11,000
of shadow these were really short novels

3248
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:12,109
okay

3249
02:21:16,780 --> 02:21:14,960
sure he was writing one every two weeks

3250
02:21:19,150 --> 02:21:16,790
but they were short novels it wasn't

3251
02:21:21,340 --> 02:21:19,160
like a Nick Redfern book or a book by

3252
02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:21,350
Brad stager which has you know like 900

3253
02:21:25,179 --> 02:21:22,970
pages or something well but you also

3254
02:21:26,590 --> 02:21:25,189
have to account for you know yeah they

3255
02:21:29,620 --> 02:21:26,600
were you know somewhere between hundred

3256
02:21:32,020 --> 02:21:29,630
fifteen churner pages each novel but you

3257
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:32,030
know Gibson was also writing articles he

3258
02:21:37,540 --> 02:21:35,120
wrote there were pieces on magic

3259
02:21:38,890 --> 02:21:37,550
it was a magician you know he was

3260
02:21:42,700 --> 02:21:38,900
writing someone the neighborhood of two

3261
02:21:43,930 --> 02:21:42,710
million words a year but the the point I

3262
02:21:46,690 --> 02:21:43,940
was going to you with that whole thing

3263
02:21:48,730 --> 02:21:46,700
was you have to account for Walter

3264
02:21:51,011 --> 02:21:48,740
Gibson sitting in that house I can wail

3265
02:21:53,740 --> 02:21:51,021
on typewriter now writing to shower

3266
02:21:56,770 --> 02:21:53,750
chatter novels a month putting all of

3267
02:21:58,930 --> 02:21:56,780
that mental and creative energy into the

3268
02:22:00,761 --> 02:21:58,940
concept of this being you know this

3269
02:22:04,091 --> 02:22:00,771
really big early shot a really good

3270
02:22:06,460 --> 02:22:04,101
point and when you think about the

3271
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:06,470
potential manifestation of that amount

3272
02:22:12,370 --> 02:22:09,530
of energy pouring into something you

3273
02:22:14,261 --> 02:22:12,380
know it's in some ways not surprising

3274
02:22:17,500 --> 02:22:14,271
that after he's dead and gone that

3275
02:22:19,091 --> 02:22:17,510
people are seeing this ghostly image you

3276
02:22:20,650 --> 02:22:19,101
know you find this periodically there's

3277
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some of the older riders out Robert E

3278
02:22:25,780 --> 02:22:23,390
Howard who was a creative Conan swore

3279
02:22:28,630 --> 02:22:25,790
that the way he wrote his novels was

3280
02:22:31,420 --> 02:22:28,640
that the character he was writing about

3281
02:22:34,301 --> 02:22:31,430
would manifest to him and tell him the

3282
02:22:36,310 --> 02:22:34,311
story so you know he would he believed

3283
02:22:39,160 --> 02:22:36,320
that he would see this apparition of

3284
02:22:41,320 --> 02:22:39,170
Conan come and relate the tale to him as

3285
02:22:43,990 --> 02:22:41,330
he said to this typewriter and you know

3286
02:22:46,210 --> 02:22:44,000
cranked out the story he wasn't just

3287
02:22:49,030 --> 02:22:46,220
writing the story he was being dictated

3288
02:22:51,011 --> 02:22:49,040
his stories what you're saying well yeah

3289
02:22:52,540 --> 02:22:51,021
because you know Howard started writing

3290
02:22:54,730 --> 02:22:52,550
I think it's one of those first

3291
02:22:56,650 --> 02:22:54,740
creations was bran McMullen I believe

3292
02:22:58,540 --> 02:22:56,660
and when he you know he started writing

3293
02:23:00,880 --> 02:22:58,550
these stories and sending them to Weird

3294
02:23:03,190 --> 02:23:00,890
Tales in the editor you know at the time

3295
02:23:06,640 --> 02:23:03,200
said you know they were really

3296
02:23:08,320 --> 02:23:06,650
successful and you know Howard and all

3297
02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:08,330
of a sudden sends a story about someone

3298
02:23:12,190 --> 02:23:10,370
else you know Conan or King Cole or

3299
02:23:14,801 --> 02:23:12,200
something the other says no no I want

3300
02:23:17,230 --> 02:23:14,811
another story of you know brand night

3301
02:23:19,511 --> 02:23:17,240
morn and Howard's responsibles Wally he

3302
02:23:22,990 --> 02:23:19,521
stopped coming to talk about I think

3303
02:23:27,580 --> 02:23:23,000
there's there's nothing else the Conan

3304
02:23:31,060 --> 02:23:27,590
Conan was RB buck right he didn't come

3305
02:23:33,520 --> 02:23:31,070
back you know I think there was talk of

3306
02:23:36,970 --> 02:23:33,530
having Arnold play like a 75 year old

3307
02:23:41,250 --> 02:23:36,980
Conan I mean the last film I saw Arnold

3308
02:23:44,110 --> 02:23:41,260
in he plays this Southwest detective and

3309
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there's one line there where someone

3310
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beats him up and someone says to him how

3311
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do you feel and he says

3312
02:23:55,060 --> 02:23:51,620
I feel old and I looked at him and I

3313
02:23:57,370 --> 02:23:55,070
thought yeah and you look old I mean

3314
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this guy was you know really over the

3315
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hill you know it's too bad that Tom

3316
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Clancy isn't here I would have wondered

3317
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who gave him the stories of Jack Ryan I

3318
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can't tell you some stories about Tom

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Clancy because I knew him very very

3320
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casually before he became very very rich

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3424
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3427
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3428
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on the last segment of the show that's

3429
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how fast it's gone any more questions

3430
02:29:28,420 --> 02:29:26,899
left well this has been fun day but

3431
02:29:32,530 --> 02:29:28,430
thank you so much for being on the show

3432
02:29:34,689 --> 02:29:32,540
I just enjoy those those rare times were

3433
02:29:36,580 --> 02:29:34,699
able to like get together in person and

3434
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and and when we do compare notes it's

3435
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always fascinating I've been a real

3436
02:29:43,570 --> 02:29:41,960
follower of your work and we do have a

3437
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:43,580
question here and this is a good one

3438
02:29:47,740 --> 02:29:45,170
this is one that I'm wondering about

3439
02:29:50,710 --> 02:29:47,750
this comes from God's Makai one of our

3440
02:29:53,080 --> 02:29:50,720
forum administrators at forum dr. Perik

3441
02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:53,090
asked calm and drumroll please

3442
02:29:58,479 --> 02:29:55,850
are you aware of any photographs or

3443
02:30:00,729 --> 02:29:58,489
footage of any black-eyed children-- or

3444
02:30:03,610 --> 02:30:00,739
shadow people or any of these kind of

3445
02:30:07,559 --> 02:30:03,620
more modern interpretations of

3446
02:30:10,990 --> 02:30:07,569
paranormal manifestation I have seen a

3447
02:30:14,229 --> 02:30:11,000
photograph of a shadow person that

3448
02:30:16,300 --> 02:30:14,239
really impressed me it's unfortunately

3449
02:30:19,649 --> 02:30:16,310
has not been released publicly it was

3450
02:30:23,740 --> 02:30:19,659
from a friend of mine who's a researcher

3451
02:30:26,469 --> 02:30:23,750
out east and you know he's just not

3452
02:30:27,880 --> 02:30:26,479
interested in you know trying to become

3453
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famous or anything like that with it

3454
02:30:32,979 --> 02:30:29,810
it's something that he got from an

3455
02:30:36,130 --> 02:30:32,989
investigation and it is uh it's a very

3456
02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:36,140
curious picture it appears to be a

3457
02:30:44,260 --> 02:30:41,120
shadowy human form sort of on the corner

3458
02:30:46,120 --> 02:30:44,270
by a it looks like it's almost hanging

3459
02:30:48,820 --> 02:30:46,130
from the ceiling it's almost Spiderman

3460
02:30:50,620 --> 02:30:48,830
life so it's sort of on the ceiling and

3461
02:30:54,490 --> 02:30:50,630
on the on the wall like where the two

3462
02:30:56,679 --> 02:30:54,500
joined and that's probably one of the

3463
02:30:59,050 --> 02:30:56,689
most impressive paranormal photographs

3464
02:31:02,260 --> 02:30:59,060
you know that I've seen as far as the

3465
02:31:04,269 --> 02:31:02,270
black-eyed children you know I I really

3466
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:04,279
don't put a whole lot of stock in that

3467
02:31:08,620 --> 02:31:06,890
simply because you know a few seconds on

3468
02:31:11,620 --> 02:31:08,630
Photoshop you can make anybody look like

3469
02:31:13,630 --> 02:31:11,630
a black eyed person and with me they do

3470
02:31:14,230 --> 02:31:13,640
all sorts of things on Photoshop you've

3471
02:31:16,510 --> 02:31:14,240
had

3472
02:31:20,050 --> 02:31:16,520
there's actually a photograph of me

3473
02:31:23,620 --> 02:31:20,060
online wearing a suit and a tie and as

3474
02:31:25,090 --> 02:31:23,630
Chris knows I never ever wear a suit in

3475
02:31:27,700 --> 02:31:25,100
a tie I think when my son was bar

3476
02:31:29,350 --> 02:31:27,710
Mitzvahed about 14 years ago maybe what

3477
02:31:30,910 --> 02:31:29,360
no I tell you what I do find even more

3478
02:31:33,400 --> 02:31:30,920
intriguing Chris is that some of the

3479
02:31:36,310 --> 02:31:33,410
cases I I've looked into involving these

3480
02:31:40,930 --> 02:31:36,320
black-eyed kids when there have been

3481
02:31:44,230 --> 02:31:40,940
security cameras present they often

3482
02:31:46,810 --> 02:31:44,240
experience a weird malfunction or there

3483
02:31:49,840 --> 02:31:46,820
will literally be a you know de static

3484
02:31:52,719 --> 02:31:49,850
on the tape it's uh it's one of these

3485
02:31:54,250 --> 02:31:52,729
things that brings to mind men and black

3486
02:31:57,910 --> 02:31:54,260
encounter you know where they seem to

3487
02:32:01,150 --> 02:31:57,920
interfere with electronic devices that

3488
02:32:02,860 --> 02:32:01,160
are in range of the experience and that

3489
02:32:06,550 --> 02:32:02,870
has happened on more than one occasion

3490
02:32:08,890 --> 02:32:06,560
so it happened to me personally now so

3491
02:32:10,510 --> 02:32:08,900
it's it's something that again we have

3492
02:32:13,270 --> 02:32:10,520
to question exactly what type of

3493
02:32:17,350 --> 02:32:13,280
manifestation or energy are we dealing

3494
02:32:20,800 --> 02:32:17,360
with that disrupts those electronics in

3495
02:32:23,770 --> 02:32:20,810
the area I was doing a an investigation

3496
02:32:25,780 --> 02:32:23,780
up in Jerome Arizona I was in the

3497
02:32:28,870 --> 02:32:25,790
hallway on the second floor of the

3498
02:32:31,390 --> 02:32:28,880
conner hotel mmm we had finished doing a

3499
02:32:32,920 --> 02:32:31,400
interview with a psychic who had gone

3500
02:32:35,560 --> 02:32:32,930
through the building and did a very good

3501
02:32:37,930 --> 02:32:35,570
job by the way and while I was down

3502
02:32:41,530 --> 02:32:37,940
taking some lights down to the to the

3503
02:32:44,080 --> 02:32:41,540
vehicle uh Ron the director had put the

3504
02:32:46,090 --> 02:32:44,090
camera at the end of a hallway pointing

3505
02:32:48,520 --> 02:32:46,100
down the empty hallway which I was going

3506
02:32:51,340 --> 02:32:48,530
to be subsequently walking up right

3507
02:32:53,020 --> 02:32:51,350
behind the camera was a huge mirror as I

3508
02:32:54,850 --> 02:32:53,030
was walking up the hallway I'd notice a

3509
02:32:56,260 --> 02:32:54,860
camera was there instead of in the room

3510
02:32:58,719 --> 02:32:56,270
where we were interviewing the psychic

3511
02:33:00,280 --> 02:32:58,729
and I saw the red light on I start

3512
02:33:03,900 --> 02:33:00,290
mugging for the camera when I got about

3513
02:33:06,100 --> 02:33:03,910
20 feet away and in the mirror I saw a

3514
02:33:08,800 --> 02:33:06,110
silhouetted shadow figure leaned out

3515
02:33:10,510 --> 02:33:08,810
from the wall and look at me but it was

3516
02:33:14,590 --> 02:33:10,520
behind me I was looking in the mirror

3517
02:33:17,380 --> 02:33:14,600
and I thought oh my god we did it it was

3518
02:33:19,810 --> 02:33:17,390
a three brand new 3d Panasonic camera

3519
02:33:22,600 --> 02:33:19,820
the light was on I ran into the room and

3520
02:33:26,350 --> 02:33:22,610
I said we made history we just filmed in

3521
02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:26,360
3d I called it a ghost but then thinking

3522
02:33:30,060 --> 02:33:28,090
back quickly I realized that was more

3523
02:33:32,670 --> 02:33:30,070
a shadow person that saw no features was

3524
02:33:34,830 --> 02:33:32,680
only a silhouette and there was no

3525
02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:34,840
doorway or anything in the hallway where

3526
02:33:40,380 --> 02:33:36,970
this happened about 10 feet behind me

3527
02:33:42,840 --> 02:33:40,390
and we couldn't initialize the footage

3528
02:33:44,790 --> 02:33:42,850
was a brand-new camera this is the first

3529
02:33:47,250 --> 02:33:44,800
shoot it have been used on it's worked

3530
02:33:49,950 --> 02:33:47,260
fine ever since but we could not

3531
02:33:52,830 --> 02:33:49,960
initially explain to our listeners this

3532
02:33:55,320 --> 02:33:52,840
is getting into beat all this geek talk

3533
02:33:58,679 --> 02:33:55,330
what does initialize the image mean to

3534
02:34:00,480 --> 02:33:58,689
regular people well okay video cameras

3535
02:34:03,060 --> 02:34:00,490
used to have tape now their harddrive

3536
02:34:05,010 --> 02:34:03,070
cameras and in an order when you hit the

3537
02:34:06,900 --> 02:34:05,020
stop button when you're on record it

3538
02:34:10,200 --> 02:34:06,910
says do you want to initialize or save

3539
02:34:12,090 --> 02:34:10,210
this this this particular clip and he

3540
02:34:14,670 --> 02:34:12,100
tried to save it and it wouldn't save it

3541
02:34:16,410 --> 02:34:14,680
it wouldn't initialize the clip so that

3542
02:34:19,639 --> 02:34:16,420
it could be saved into memory so

3543
02:34:23,490 --> 02:34:19,649
somewhere in that camera on that chip is

3544
02:34:26,730 --> 02:34:23,500
3d footage not not just regular video

3545
02:34:29,070 --> 02:34:26,740
footage with a $22,000 3d camera took

3546
02:34:31,170 --> 02:34:29,080
footage of something leaning out from a

3547
02:34:33,150 --> 02:34:31,180
wall behind me as I'm walking towards

3548
02:34:35,610 --> 02:34:33,160
the camera and I I thought we'd made

3549
02:34:39,599 --> 02:34:35,620
history and it's still to this day I am

3550
02:34:42,870 --> 02:34:39,609
so I'm so like grinding my teeth about

3551
02:34:45,690 --> 02:34:42,880
that I thought oh man we did it yeah

3552
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:45,700
yeah I know the exact spot you're

3553
02:34:49,740 --> 02:34:48,010
talking about because the last time I

3554
02:34:52,950 --> 02:34:49,750
was there in the conner and that in that

3555
02:34:54,900 --> 02:34:52,960
same location where that mirror is you

3556
02:34:58,020 --> 02:34:54,910
know I I had a fellow investigated with

3557
02:34:59,639 --> 02:34:58,030
me and we could not I could not get my

3558
02:35:01,050 --> 02:34:59,649
camera to operate I went through three

3559
02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:01,060
different batteries that were fully

3560
02:35:04,650 --> 02:35:03,130
charged and every one of them died

3561
02:35:07,860 --> 02:35:04,660
immediately when I put it in the camera

3562
02:35:09,630 --> 02:35:07,870
yeah well in this case the the red light

3563
02:35:12,540 --> 02:35:09,640
was blazing you know the record light I

3564
02:35:16,230 --> 02:35:12,550
can see it right but we we just were

3565
02:35:17,969 --> 02:35:16,240
unable to actually save the it was

3566
02:35:19,889 --> 02:35:17,979
actually a seven minute clip it was the

3567
02:35:22,830 --> 02:35:19,899
last five minutes of our interview with

3568
02:35:24,420 --> 02:35:22,840
the psychic and then he just grabbed the

3569
02:35:26,219 --> 02:35:24,430
camera never turned it off and put it in

3570
02:35:27,179 --> 02:35:26,229
the empty hallway facing down the

3571
02:35:30,389 --> 02:35:27,189
hallway while I was downstairs

3572
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:30,399
delivering gear to the street and was on

3573
02:35:34,800 --> 02:35:32,080
my way back up walking down the hallway

3574
02:35:36,420 --> 02:35:34,810
and I saw this figure and initially I

3575
02:35:38,460 --> 02:35:36,430
thought it was somebody in the hotel

3576
02:35:39,750 --> 02:35:38,470
this is like 10:30 at night and I

3577
02:35:41,700 --> 02:35:39,760
thought it was somebody in the hotel

3578
02:35:43,170 --> 02:35:41,710
that heard me walked by and

3579
02:35:45,690 --> 02:35:43,180
open their door and leaned out to look

3580
02:35:48,390 --> 02:35:45,700
who it was and when I raced back I mean

3581
02:35:50,190 --> 02:35:48,400
when I saw this figure I instantly

3582
02:35:53,430 --> 02:35:50,200
turned around and raced back the ten

3583
02:35:54,780 --> 02:35:53,440
feet and there was no door there so and

3584
02:35:57,360 --> 02:35:54,790
as it turns out there was actually

3585
02:35:59,460 --> 02:35:57,370
nobody in that part of the of the hotel

3586
02:36:01,469 --> 02:35:59,470
that actually I could have misconstrued

3587
02:36:04,469 --> 02:36:01,479
as as being a shadow person or a ghost

3588
02:36:06,300 --> 02:36:04,479
or whatever so to be honest on the

3589
02:36:08,730 --> 02:36:06,310
record this is the only time I have ever

3590
02:36:11,670 --> 02:36:08,740
seen some sort of potential shadow

3591
02:36:14,250 --> 02:36:11,680
person spectral figure ghost of dis

3592
02:36:16,110 --> 02:36:14,260
incarnate energy in a human form that

3593
02:36:19,140 --> 02:36:16,120
sort of thing and I thought we'd made

3594
02:36:20,460 --> 02:36:19,150
history we got it on 3d did you think

3595
02:36:29,760 --> 02:36:20,470
that maybe you heard in the background

3596
02:36:32,040 --> 02:36:29,770
and just faintly that laughter shadow

3597
02:36:34,590 --> 02:36:32,050
people David that has always kind of

3598
02:36:36,600 --> 02:36:34,600
made me scratch my head there's a high

3599
02:36:39,240 --> 02:36:36,610
percentage of shadow people that are

3600
02:36:41,370 --> 02:36:39,250
wearing a hat like the shadow used to

3601
02:36:43,710 --> 02:36:41,380
wear what's up with that well you know

3602
02:36:46,980 --> 02:36:43,720
what Chris once again if you go back to

3603
02:36:49,890 --> 02:36:46,990
you know further back in history you'll

3604
02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:49,900
find that earlier shadow manifestations

3605
02:36:55,410 --> 02:36:52,810
were often described has monk-like

3606
02:36:57,420 --> 02:36:55,420
figures wearing a rope you know with

3607
02:37:00,570 --> 02:36:57,430
with one of the hoods that pulls up so

3608
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:00,580
we may be seen again some type of

3609
02:37:08,580 --> 02:37:05,290
cultural impression or perhaps you know

3610
02:37:12,120 --> 02:37:08,590
whatever that entity or energy is it's

3611
02:37:15,690 --> 02:37:12,130
utilizing more contemporary cultural

3612
02:37:18,300 --> 02:37:15,700
ideas which may be somehow generated

3613
02:37:20,190 --> 02:37:18,310
collectively exactly oh boy

3614
02:37:23,550 --> 02:37:20,200
so we have channeled the memory of the

3615
02:37:26,460 --> 02:37:23,560
late Walker B Gibson who wrote many of

3616
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:26,470
those shadow novels we didn't channel

3617
02:37:31,110 --> 02:37:29,050
that movie that Alec Baldwin did we

3618
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:31,120
didn't channel the radio show with Orson

3619
02:37:34,890 --> 02:37:32,650
Welles and a number of other actors

3620
02:37:37,320 --> 02:37:34,900
Orson Welles actually playing it for

3621
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:37,330
only a couple of years David Weatherly

3622
02:37:40,980 --> 02:37:38,650
teller listeners where they can find

3623
02:37:43,890 --> 02:37:40,990
more of your stuff you can purchase the

3624
02:37:45,210 --> 02:37:43,900
books at leprechaun press.com Genie

3625
02:37:48,300 --> 02:37:45,220
we're looking for the Leprechaun there

3626
02:37:51,300 --> 02:37:48,310
it is you can follow my work at have a

3627
02:37:55,280 --> 02:37:51,310
blog at two crows paranormal blog

3628
02:37:58,740 --> 02:37:55,290
spot.com that is TW o CR o WS

3629
02:38:00,930 --> 02:37:58,750
paranormal about blogspot.com folks if

3630
02:38:03,301 --> 02:38:00,940
you go to let the Leprechaun book site

3631
02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:03,311
there's a link there to his blog you

3632
02:38:06,180 --> 02:38:04,570
don't have to remember we've got one

3633
02:38:09,240 --> 02:38:06,190
over at the para cast com

3634
02:38:12,390 --> 02:38:09,250
so nothing has to be remembered just we

3635
02:38:14,570 --> 02:38:12,400
offer this courtesy to our guests David

3636
02:38:17,461 --> 02:38:14,580
and I will also be presenting at the

3637
02:38:19,950 --> 02:38:17,471
paradigm symposium in st. Paul Minnesota

3638
02:38:21,270 --> 02:38:19,960
in a couple three weeks really looking

3639
02:38:24,480 --> 02:38:21,280
forward to this will be an incredible

3640
02:38:27,180 --> 02:38:24,490
event looking forward to it by the way

3641
02:38:29,881 --> 02:38:27,190
you can find us at the para cast comm

3642
02:38:32,430 --> 02:38:29,891
the forum's at for Emma dot the para

3643
02:38:35,640 --> 02:38:32,440
cast calm you can find the power cast on

3644
02:38:38,850 --> 02:38:35,650
Twitter and you can find to para cast

3645
02:38:40,680 --> 02:38:38,860
fan clubs on Facebook and maybe someday

3646
02:38:43,230 --> 02:38:40,690
they'll tell us how to make it one on

3647
02:38:44,761 --> 02:38:43,240
the same account david Weatherly thank

3648
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:44,771
you for joining us this week on the para

3649
02:38:55,620 --> 02:38:47,170
cast pleasures always tell me thanks for

3650
02:39:02,170 --> 02:38:59,140
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3651
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:02,180
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3652
02:39:08,770 --> 02:39:05,050
presentation of making the impossible

3653
02:39:13,290 --> 02:39:08,780
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